More Insight Into Sabrina Rubin Erdely’s Flawed Reporting
Posted on January 28th, 2015 in Uncategorized | 27 Comments »
I just read this long and interesting piece on Jezebel by a woman who traveled to UVa to check out the frat-sorority rushing process, post-Rolling Stone. (It’s a perfectly reasonable piece, free of the cant not uncommon to Jezebel). One paragraph, buried somewhat in the body of the piece, really startled me.
Erdely homed in on UVA, contacting administrators who made themselves less than available. She interviewed students, who talked gamely but grew cautious after word spread about her interview practices: multiple people told me that, for example, after the reporter spent hours talking to the president of the all-male sexual assault peer education group One in Four, she told him that she wasn’t going to use anything he told her. The conversation hadn’t been juicy enough, sources claim she said; he’d answered her questions “too well.” (He was reportedly the one to tape the conversation; Erdely did not.)
Okay, let’s take this with a grain of salt, as, despite the claim of multiple sources, it’s still essentially a single-sourced story; only two people were present at that conversation. But still—this is a deeply damning assertion, suggesting that whenever Sabrina Rubin Erdely encountered any material that conflicted with the narrative she aimed to write, she simply discarded it—apparently not even recording it.
Jia Tolentino, the author of the Jezebel piece and a UVa grad, does admit that she’s inclined to believe that women who allege sexual assault at UVa face an uphill battle to be taken seriously—okay, at least she admits where she’s coming from—but then says this about her reaction to the Rubin Erdely piece.
..it took me a day or two to admit that I found many of Erdely’s details unrecognizable. No one says “UVrApe”; no one I know has ever heard the Rugby Road-themed “traditional fight song” that poetically (“fuck for 50 cents”/”panties on the fence”) separated the article’s sections. And, in the words of one sorority girl I talked to in Charlottesville: “We knew something was bullshit when she wrote that Phi Psi was a top-tier frat.”
So much attention has been paid to the fact that Jackie’s story is false; I think not enough has been paid to the other bricks in the wall of accusation that Rubin Erdeley constructed. It’s not just that she made a mistake in believing Jackie and in how she chose to (not) report out Jackie’s story; it’s that there are abundant other details in the piece, having nothing to do with Jackie, that seem either wrong or fabricated.
I am still flummoxed and amazed at the fact that Sabrina Rubin Erdely has still said nothing publicly about the disintegration of her story; I think she’s a coward and a dishonorable person who has completely failed to take responsibility for her work.
But details like the ones provided by Tolentino suggest one reason for Erdely’s silence. It’s not just that she got one big piece of her story wrong, but that the entire article is woven out of half-truths, bias and falsehood. How on earth could her editor and fact-checker not see this?
27 Responses
1/28/2015 10:03 pm
I wonder if the sexual assault peer education group One in Four knows that they named their group after a bogus statistic. It doesn’t exactly lend credibility to their educational mission.
As for recording the interview, Erdely wouldn’t have known in advance, so perhaps she recorded it and later deleted it. Or not. I’m sure Rolling Stone and Columbia University will get to the bottom of it.
1/28/2015 10:17 pm
I think it’s interesting that the writer identified many of the same things being “wrong” that I noticed when I was reading the RS piece in December. I graduated from Virginia more than a few years ago, so I’m older than the writer, but still - a number of the details in the RS piece struck me as hilariously fake. That song with the, what, 30 verses? 50? “Yeah, everyone gets completely hammered and then remembers, and sings, a song about a road…with 30 verses in it.” What a load of horseshit.
My point is that it’s weird that no one else at RS bothered to confirm these details before publishing the piece. Even if they didn’t have a UVA graduate on staff, you would think someone there would know one, and would say to that person, “Hey, does this shit make any sense to *you*?”
1/29/2015 12:42 am
[…] UNRAVELLING CONTINUES: More Insight Into Sabrina Rubin Erdely’s Flawed Reporting. “So much attention has been paid to the fact that Jackie’s story is false; I think not […]
1/29/2015 4:47 am
Sabine Rubin Erdely is simply not a journalist in any traditional sense of the word and everything she has written should be assumed to be fabricated until proven otherwise.
She’s a creative writer with a chip on her shoulder. She should channel her energies into creative writing (or working for some “Social Justice” cause) and leave the journalism to those for whom the truth is more important than a narrative.
1/29/2015 10:06 am
A quote from the end of your latest blog entry: “the entire article is woven out of half-truths, bias and falsehood. How on earth could her editor and fact-checker not see this?”
The answer is group think. Editors and writers in a magazine often share similar views and political beliefs. This is in addition to the imperative of selling magazines. When a group;s shared mythical beliefs also coincide with “something juicy” that will “sell” magazines, well then, it must be true and good. This is classic left-wing journalism in action, damn the facts, full speed ahead it is too good a “narrative” and it confirms my oh so righteous beliefs… Hopefully Ms. Erdely and her editors never find gainful employment again. Not going to happen, but I can dream.
1/29/2015 10:28 am
I too find it very odd that Ms. Erdely has still not come forward to address the still-growing number of questions with her reportage.
I say this very sincerely: I hope she is all right, physically and mentally, and that it’s not the case that she’s suffered some kind of breakdown which has prevented her from coming forward.
1/29/2015 10:28 am
Sorry, 10:28 was me.
1/29/2015 12:52 pm
“This is classic left-wing journalism in action, damn the facts, full speed ahead”
Really, Anonymous? Only left-wing journalism does that? Do I really need to give you the LONG list of right-wing “journalists” who engage in what you’re accusing left-wing journalists of doing?
1/29/2015 1:01 pm
Stephen Glass’s piece on debauched young Republicans; Janet Cooke’s piece on poor wee victim Jimmy; SRE’s piece on privileged white male frat brothers; none of these journalistic frauds were committed in aid of furthering CONSERVATIVE narratives or causes.
1/29/2015 3:03 pm
How about Fox News? Town Hall? RedState? DrudgeReport? The list of conservative liars in the media is long and shameful. I agreed with everything in your original post except for your cheap shot at liberals, because there are far more conservative liars in the media. You could have kept politics out of this and we’d all be in agreement, but you republicans never can be civil, can you?
1/29/2015 6:29 pm
You have to wonder if RS and their investigators at CJS are using something from the Clinton playbook… wait until everyone has turned to something else, release the report, and then say it’s old news that no one is interested in.
1/29/2015 10:28 pm
Two words: Judith and Miller.
1/29/2015 10:36 pm
“I think she’s a coward and a dishonorable person who has completely failed to take responsibility for her work.”
This is who they are, this is what they do. They would be perfectly happy to send innocent men to jail if it means more power for themselves. Erdely isn’t waiting for a chance to apologize, she’s looking for some possible way to reclaim her story, however tenuously plausible.
1/29/2015 10:51 pm
” Erdely isn’t waiting for a chance to apologize, she’s looking for some possible way to reclaim her story, however tenuously plausible.”
Gosh I hope it’s the opposite, or at least some version of the opposite (such as Seccuro coming full-circle-ish). A shred of integrity would be welcome.
1/30/2015 5:04 am
“sincerely: I hope she is all right, physically and mentally”
You’re much kinder than I am, considering the damage she tried to do…
“Erdely isn’t waiting for a chance to apologize, she’s looking for some possible way to reclaim her story, however tenuously plausible”
I’m still betting when she does surface it will be with a story of how she was raped (or compares Richard to a rapist or both).
1/30/2015 6:33 am
Maybe she’ll write a story about how she was raped by Richard? On a pile of broken glass….
1/30/2015 9:16 am
Just as the burnt hand returns to the stove and the dog returns to its vomit, Erdely will re-appear in public one day to try to blame Frat boys in some way. I predict it will be on Melissa Harris Perry’s show on MSNBC.
1/30/2015 11:27 am
Honestly I think the most logical explanation for her continued silence at this point is the fact that anything she says now can be used against her in a lawsuit, which is almost certainly coming.
As soon as the legal dust settles, I predict she’ll issue some form of shallow apology. Being the narcissistic megalomaniac that she is, she’ll also be sure to remind us all of the “positive impact” her article had despite it all, emphasizing that “rape culture” is still a very real problem on college campuses. And like Nifong before her, she will always maintain that “something happened” that night to Jackie.
1/30/2015 11:57 am
Guess only one way for all of rhis to go away sort of - Columbia’s report. Given Erderly is unlikely to issue a mea culpa my fault statement (she bears the brunt of responsibility for turning people into stick figures and inventing or giving play to a sensational story with little truth) - she has basically forced Rolling Stone to take the fall - and the student is all lawyered up and unlikely to apologize (just keep on digging that hole ) Columbia Schoolnof Journalism is left holdingthe bag, if Columbia says the article was about something other than the sensational claim then it too will fail - the story was based on a huge lie, a lie that fit a preconceived bias like a perfect glove. Rather than follow a story where it leads the article took the story where it wanted to go, which is also known as…fiction. it is not even based on a true story.
Here is hoping Columbia does the right thing. If it means the end of Rolling Stone’s fictional nonfiction…so be it. Acceptable outcome. Unlikely.
1/30/2015 3:58 pm
Jezebel piece was pretty odd too. Erderly’s reporting wasnt reporting at all - she translated her bias as facts, which is what you do if you want to create a false controversy. Totally reckless.
As for the accuser, Jezebel seems to believe her here…even though there isn’t any thing to believe anymore. Seems like the same vilification process. Fool me once shame on you…fool me twice…
More stereotypes. More us versus them. I knew students in the fraternities and sororities and for the most part they were…just students. For the most part polite to me. Not all the same. A lot of makeup for sure and from what i was told, with access to past exams for some courses (never saw it but seems like a good tactic to skirt the honor code ever so slightly and keep the house gpa intact…rumor though so who knows, and i am sure not uncommon if it is true to other schools).
Here is what i think again. Stereotypes cause a lot more damage and our biases should be checked at the door. The jezebel article took as many liberties as it did set the record straight…the result is some interesting information mixed with jibberish.
You wonder what the point of this exercise is at all. The comment about Erderly saying nothing now makes a lot of sense seeing that she didnt record her interview (not even on a cell phone?). Erderly is going from reckless down the totem pole to unprofessional and possibly incompetent.
Here is the big cover up…grown ups not doing their homework and putting their agendas before what is right in front of them. Garbage in, garbage out.
2/1/2024 7:59 am
Erdely is also remaining silent because she doesn’t want any of her other stories analysed.
I’m still surprised no in intrepid reporter hasn’t made her a target. Lucky for her I guess.
2/1/2024 5:17 pm
“Erdely is also remaining silent because she doesn’t want any of her other stories analysed.”
I already disbelieve evertything she’s written, including “the” and “and”.
2/3/2024 1:30 pm
In all honesty, Ederly is a narcissistic, lying coward with self-serving moral and ethical standards. Her sense of insecurity relating to her own inept investigative journalism abilities is manifest in fabricated, sensationalist stories she labels long-form journalism. The recipe for her fabrications includes ample portions of sensationalism, appeal to emotions, and controversy, stirred briskly by a genuine pathological liar.
As I type this she is, without doubt, scurrying about her home peeking out window blinds. Her eyes dart maniacally from left to right at the slightest hint of movement or sound. Her mind is racing as she understands she is now a caged animal subsiding on diet coke and antidepressants. If we were present to hear, we could hear her muttering, “It’s all so unfair! … Don’t they recognize the need for my stories for the greater good? Truth! The truth is what I make it! I must make them understand… For their own good…”
2/7/2024 6:35 am
Re: “I am still flummoxed and amazed at the fact that Sabrina Rubin Erdely has still said nothing publicly about the disintegration of her story…”
She’s taking the easiest way out. Lying low until the storm blows over (which it has, for the most part). Why are you expecting integrity and responsibility from her? If she had a shred of either, her story would never have taken the form it did. Not remotely.
I leave you with a couple of things she *has* said:
“I am convinced that it could not have been done any other way, or any better. I am also not interested in diverting the conversation away from the point of the piece itself.”
“That’s what I wanted to address, that the degradation of women is intrinsically woven into the campus, and on every campus, and frankly in our culture,” she said. “If people are getting confused by that, I’m sorry to hear that. It’s another aspect of their denialism.”
Does that sound, even remotely, like a repentant person?
2/7/2024 6:37 am
Meanwhile, where is Jackie Coakley? Has she paid even the slightest price for her colossal hoax?
No one in the 200-year history of the University of Virginia has ever done 1/10th the damage to its reputation that this young lady has, and-so far, for all we know-she’s having a good laugh about it all.
2/9/2024 3:50 pm
“How on earth could her editor and fact-checker not see this?”
They may have. But they were more afraid of feminists calling them names.
2/9/2024 3:54 pm
“How about Fox News? Town Hall? RedState? DrudgeReport? The list of conservative liars in the media is long and shameful.”
That is indeed a list of conservative media outlets that you baselessly accuse of lying.
Poor, poor Rolling Stone.