Is Liz Securro for Real?
Posted on January 21st, 2015 in Uncategorized | 20 Comments »
A couple of days ago, the UVA graduate and rape survivor told the Washington Post that she has come to doubt the revelations in Rolling Stone’s UVA rape article.
“I think it’s important, for a gang-rape survivor at U-Va. who was portrayed in this story, to say what was a red flag to me,” Seccuro said. “I became frustrated in that I felt like the work of so many other people in the article went down the toilet.”
Securro tells Postie T. Rees Shapiro that she was closely involved in the reporting of the story,
Besides [arranging] interviews, she also helped arrange for Erdely to speak with experts on college sexual assault, she said. Speaking on the phone with Erdely the night before the story’s publication online, Seccuro said, “we were so excited about it and proud of this piece.”
I’m fascinated by this language, because it’s yet another sign that Rolling Stone writer Sabrina Rubin Erdely approached this story not as a journalist, but as a woman with a cause. “We were so excited and proud”—this is the language of sisterhood. And given how serious the subject is, “excited” is just a weird way to feel. If you were writing a story on, say, My Lai, would you feel “excited” just before its publication? I don’t think so.
Securro goes on to say that she did not read the article at first because—well, her words are important.
“I decided I was not strong enough to read the entire article,” Seccuro said. “I had no reason to read it because I knew what was going to be in there.”
I call bullshit on this. Liz Securro is a woman who was strong enough to go to campus authorities and the police after she was raped; strong enough to help prosecute her rapist many years after the fact; strong enough to write a book and give speeches about the experience.
But she’s not strong enough to read a magazine article in which her case is only briefly mentioned?
She does eventually read it, though.
When Seccuro finally sat down to read the magazine in early December, she immediately spotted red flags in the narrative, she said.
“I decided to take it apart with a fresh eye,” Seccuro said.
Armed with a highlighter and pen, Seccuro began to circle, underline and annotate in the margins. She highlighted the detail that the room where Jackie alleged she was attacked was pitch-black. She underlined a section that described how Jackie crashed through a low glass table, causing shards to cut into her back as the men raped her. In another section, Seccuro wrote in the margins: “Not possible.”
There’s something odd about this as well. On December 4th—which is to say, “early December”—Time.com published an essay by Securro titled “UVA Rape Survivor: Don’t Doubt a Victim’s Story Just Because It’s Horrific.”
In it, she criticized me (by name) and others for doubting the plausibility of the story “Jackie” told Sabrina Rubin Erdely—even though that is exactly what she does in the section quote above. “Not possible,” she wrote in the margins. Well, yes, exactly. But apparently we weren’t supposed to think that. Why is it wrong when I doubt a rape survivor’s story but not when she does?
But there’s another problem here besides Securro’s hypocrisy. It has to do with chronology.
Let’s say Securro hasn’t actually read the Rolling Stone article when she writes her defense of it. Then she’s defending an article that she hasn’t actually read. And criticizing others who have read it for doubting it—even though she later does the exact same thing. I mean—even I didn’t sit down and scribble in the margins.)
But there’s some indication that Securro had read the article when she defended it. In her Time piece, she writes, “Unlike most people who read the article, I was not shocked by it….”
Which sure sounds like she read it before writing her piece for Time.com. But she told T. Rees Shapiro that she “immediately” saw red flags when she read the article.
So which is it? Was she defending an article that she hadn’t read? Or was she defending an article that she had read but didn’t actually believe? (“‘Not possible,’ she wrote in the margins.”)
It sounds to me like Securro is just lying here. Why? If I had to guess—and I do—I’d say that, when things were going well for the article, she was trying to piggyback on the positive publicity it was getting, particularly among women. Now that the article has been thoroughly discredited, she wants to get back on the right side of history.
Either way, it’s a little hard to put much stock in what she says any more.
20 Responses
1/21/2015 1:24 pm
You have to wonder if it’s ‘deja vue all over again’ to borrow a phrase from the great Yogi Berra. There is a new claim of rape involving a frat at Duke University, and while it is early on, some of the typical warning signs are already showing up. The report in the Daily News doesn’t use the word ‘alleged’ - meaning we are supposed to take it as a matter of faith that a rape really occurred as described. I’m sorry to say this, because it may in fact be completely true, but I’m no longer willing to climb out on that branch precisely because of stuff like what RB has detailed above and throughout this whole story.
As a side note, I wonder if ‘the Gang of 88′ (the professors who said the lacrosse players were guilty simply because they were ‘rich’ white males and the stripper was innocent simply because she was black) will make make another appearance. Setting aside the fact that many of those professors were themselves ‘rich’ white males, how is it none of them lost their positions for their role in causing the university to have to pay out big bucks to the wronged students?
1/21/2015 1:47 pm
The lack of accountability by so many involved in this entire debacle is astonishing.
From RS and SRE to Teresa Murray and UVA leadership to the SJWs who served as catalysts for the story on down to the frothing-at-the-mouth media folks who had a vested interest in promoting and defending the story while smearing those who raised questions about the reporting itself and the veracity of the various accounts.
We’re in big trouble as a country with so much intellectual dishonesty going on these days…
1/21/2015 1:55 pm
With all due respect, Richard, I sense a bit of cowardice on your part. The headline of your post, and the last line, tells us where you want to lead us — i.e., to doubt that Securro’s original rape story was completely true. But you don’t actually go there.
I suspect there are two reasons for this. First, while Securro’s 30-year-old gang rape accusation has many dubious features, there is at least some corroborating evidence, in particular, a semi-confession. Second, you don’t want to be stereotyped as a rape denier. So, you’re leaving it up to us nut jobs in the “comments” section. Fine, I’ll go there.
I think most of Liz Securro’s rape story is false.
I think there is a pathology in the victims’ rights movement that exalts the accuser, right or wrong, over fairness of process and all other things, even truth.
I think that there are benign reasons for this pathology, specifically when dealing with an archetypal he-said she-said problem such as rape.
However, I think that ultimately, the failure of the movement to scrutnitize rape accusations — particularly, the highly fantastic kinds like Securro’s, Jackie’s and the Duke lacrosse team — creates a safe harbor for liars and harms the credibility of actual victims.
There Richard, is that what you wanted to say?
1/21/2015 1:57 pm
“My rape is unassailable.” — LS declared on twitter once Jackie Coakley’s criminal hoax began to unravel
Nothing shows something long rotting in Denmark more than a loaded statement like that.
1/21/2015 3:30 pm
I have no idea if Ms Securro’s tale of woe is true or not and I don’t have enough interest to research it. However she has made a career of sorts (or maybe a serious hobby) out of it. When it looked like it would add to her marketability as a speaker it was all true. When it fell apart and decreased her own value as a speaker, writer and activist she had to distance herself from Jackie et al. Self interest required it.
1/21/2015 3:35 pm
I don’t care much for the UVa rape hoax anymore. What I’m more interested in now is whether the kommissars in the ominously-named Office of Civil Rights in the Dept. of Education are going to be turned out on their ear or not.
1/21/2015 3:48 pm
I-Roller - Our representatives choose us, we don’t choose them. Witness the fact that ~95% of house seats are gerrymandered and non-competitive in non-wave elections. Why would those same representatives suddenly turn on the very people they installed when there is really no realistic threat to their seats? The Republicans are just as bad as the Democrats… all they care about is being a member of the ruling class, even if it’s not as a member of the party in power. In fact, given how Democrat-lite the modern Republican party is, it’s fair to describe Republicans as ‘undocumented Democrats.’ So Big Sister in the above mentioned directorates is only going to get even more out of control - pray for your children if you have any.
1/21/2015 4:33 pm
““My rape is unassailable.” — LS declared on twitter once Jackie Coakley’s criminal hoax began to unravel
Nothing shows something long rotting in Denmark more than a loaded statement like that”
It’s like the guy who buried his life savings and put up a sign “No money is buried here” and couldn’t figure out what happened when it disappeared.
It’s known there was some kind of sexual …. misconduct from one man who confessed. I wouldn’t give two cents for the rest, especially since the one who confessed has always maintained there was no one else involved and there’s no evidence except very strange assertions by LS.
1/21/2015 6:39 pm
Please write about the new NYTimes anti-frat editorial http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/21/opinion/sororities-should-throw-parties.html
“They’re hubs for binge drinking and hooking up, sometimes consensual and sometimes not … music loud enough to mask … cries of protest … like punch spiked with date-rape drugs.”
1/21/2015 8:06 pm
I’m very disappointed with Liz Seccuro. Just admit she was wrong and relieved that a horrible gang rape didn’t happen in the university. Instead she appears to want a rape crisis so she somehow can be relevant and gain popularity on it. That’s unacceptable in every level.
However I still do believe she was raped (her rapist after all immediately moved to another university a week after it happened and still remember her even after 20 years, indicating some kind of guilt) but her gang rape accusations now seemed dubious right now. Most likely she had only one attacker. She missed the chance to confirm if there was any other attackers when she didn’t took the rape kit after the incident.
1/21/2015 8:52 pm
Liz Securro was raped and is a liar.
She has obviously lied throughout the timeline of this story about multiple things.
Her claims she didn’t read the article immediately are ridiculous.
1/22/2015 11:54 am
When I read this Liz Securro interview.. I had the exact same thoughts. but couldnt write it on paper..
Thanks Richard for exposing this BIG FAT liar
1/23/2015 2:17 pm
I am all for people getting paid to tell whatever personal story they can report, but it strikes me that Liz Securro might just be more for Liz Securro than anything else. And her more recent actions are more consistent with protecting her own brand than anything else.
And it is just awful to wonder, but is “victimization” getting to be an industry unto itself? Have we developed a class of consultants, speakers, paid advocates who need rape, whether actual or fabricated, to justify their own existence?
1/24/2015 1:15 pm
Seccuro is fine - I think she was both trying to protect her name and also to make amends in some ways. She said as much in the article that she didn’t believe in making innocent people pay for false accusations, and that the mis-reporting is no boon for confronting actual sexual assault.
It’s big for someone to say - wow, I messed up and I am going to take this opportunity to right the ship. Though she is a more minor character here, it’s a gesture that neither the accuser nor the writer Erderly (nor really Rolling Stone) has made yet.
In light of all this why are we always criticizing Rolling Stone - weren’t they right to say that they found the accuser not to be entirely credible? Their original statement, however little of them, does make some sense in the wake of all the Washington Post reporting. You have a student that falsely accused others with a whopper of a lie (dressed up from another white lie, though still a whopper). That student may or may not have asked Rolling Stone to take them out of the story (if they did, wouldn’t the writer Erderly or Rolling Stone say that? Just throw them under the bus in a dog-eat-dog world out there?).
1/24/2015 2:23 pm
JMil -
I’m taking your comment regarding RS’s original statement as rhetorical — the criticism that you reference is a touchstone for everything is wrong with journalism, higher education, and so many other parts of society today. To wit, it’s the nature of the accusations that matter, rather than than their substance. It’s important to note that it also depends on who it accusing who…
1/24/2015 10:59 pm
Hi InterestedObserver - I’m not sure what you are saying. I believe my points were as follows (for what it’s worth!).
1. Seccuro’s (possible) reasons for backing away from her original impression of the Rolling Stone story and the accuser’s credibility may include not only defending her reputation (Seccuro) but also saying (implicitly) that Seccuro herself is sorry for the collateral damage caused by what she now sees as a false accusation. If that’s the case - and no matter what Seccuro’s involvement (she too appears to have been taken by the accuser’s story, so much so that she placed blind trust in an account with so, so many problematic parts that never add up) - I think it’s the closest someone involved in this story has come to saying “I’M SORRY”. That is a little higher on the integrity scale for me personally - I think it takes at least some courage to say that they messed up. It’s more adult-like than either Erderly or the accuser (assuming the Washington Post didn’t make up its own reporting, which I doubt).
2. I find it ironic that Rolling Stone’s original statement, which essentially threw the accuser “under the bus”, appears to be more accurate than the Rolling Stone’s subsequent statement (in terms of the verity of the accuser’s story). Now, certainly - absolutely - Rolling Stone comes off as cynical for placing what seems to now (and I believe we’ve really crossed a thresh-hold on the truth) be a false accusation at the center of its reporting. Cynical, irresponsible - etc. The ends DONT justify the means.
However, this is a mess-up of epic proportions! How is it that the fact-checkers, the managers…everyone up and down the totem poll had such terrible judgment? Well, the answer could be that they found the accuser credible. There may be a kernel of truth there - that they too were sucked in by a sensational story. That’s a human thing to do - but with so much on the line, it’s reckless and irresponsible.
And certainly their intentions (fame and fortune - not just advocacy) deplorable knowing that they did not do their job fully.
1/25/2015 9:43 am
JMil - I wasn’t criticizing you… I apologize if I wasn’t clear.
I agreed with your comment:
— In light of all this why are we always criticizing Rolling Stone – weren’t they right to say that they found the accuser not to be entirely credible? Their original statement, however little of them, does make some sense in the wake of all the Washington Post reporting. —
I was trying to make the point that political correctness and feminism requires no blame of any sort be attributed to the ‘victim’ (real or otherwise), resulting in RS taking heat for coming to a conclusion that they should have arrived at prior to publication… they deserved criticism, but not for the reasons they received it.
Thanks for responding in a non-troll-like manner.
1/25/2015 3:32 pm
I get it now! Thanks InterestedObserver. No, I have no problems with my being criticized, I have no bead on the truth or opinion. I think also and agree that the default reaction of “she is telling the truth, everyone else is a misogynist!” is an insult when it means there is no review of the real facts. Trust me it has been almost impossible for me to convince people i spoke with previously about the story that it no longer adds up - i reflexively believed it , even after reading, assuming that the author Erderly did their homework - blind trust . Then with the questions on this blog and the reporting from Slate and Washington Post (which i think came as much from being beat to a story in their backyard as any more benig motive) i said wow, i got this wrong and my own biases (who would make this up?) did the rest for me. It isn’t popular/p.c. to say “the accuser lied, there is no real assault in this story” or to use “innocent until proven guilty” in defense of those accused of rape. Yet that is the truth, there is no one to persecute in this story. It is an odd feeling to come to the defense of a fraternity but that should be one of the big conclusions of this debacle - some well meaning friends and a house of brothers, rich or not, privileged or not, did nothing other than clear their names in the wake of a sensational accusation.
Feminists can have their cause and there is plenty for them to do, just not here and not on the back of innocent people, including women such as the accuser’s friend who she portrayed as a hook up queen. Now how should the feminists unravel this one? Another problem for the accuser - throwing their friend or rival under the bus. Another low to no integrity choice.
In any event sorry for the long posting. I think you are totally right, the fems taking advantage of this story have no just cause and should say it. That is why I think Seccuro’s decision to distance herself is at least one step in the more right direction, whatever her motives. Just speculating here, she might be upset that the accuser stole Seccuro’s story. That would be enough I would guess to convince Seccuro to repudiate Rolling Stone’s article and regret involvement .
1/26/2015 2:31 pm
May be worth keeping an eye on whether the fraternity sues Rolling Stone and/or the accuser. That possibility remains up in the air for now. Having re-gained their confidence, the fraternity may go for justice here and ask to recover damages from Rolling Stone/Erderly and even the accuser. The fraternity may also decide it’s not worth it.
The student newspaper reported on it this week.
http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2015/01/university-professor-urges-rolling-stone-lawsuit
2/7/2024 3:01 am
There’s next to no chance that the university or the fraternity will be suing RS, SRE, or any other the other ‘bad actors’ in this fiasco. Chiefly because the bad actors took pains not to mention a single person by name thereby denying legal standing to the various people they slimed.
Cynical in the extreme, which brings us to Liz Securro. She’s careful to calibrate her accusations in ways which prevent accountability. Yes, she’s made a career of it, and a horsewhipped AA penitent (who himself seems to have made a fetish of fantasized self-disclosure) is both central to her story and-not coincidentally-less than trustworthy himself.