What is Niall Ferguson’s Problem?
Posted on May 7th, 2013 in Uncategorized | 18 Comments »
Niall Ferguson’s disparagement of John Maynard Keynes—he didn’t care about the implications of his economic policies because he was gay and had no children, etc.—have made the pages of the Times.
The comments Mr. Ferguson apologized for came in response to an audience question on Thursday at the Strategic Investment Conference in Carlsbad, Calif., where he was a featured speaker. The questioner mentioned the familiar Keynes adage favoring immediate government intervention in the economy: “in the long run we are all dead.”
According to a reporter for Financial Advisor, Mr. Ferguson’s language described Keynes as “effete,” and said about his marriage to a Russian ballerina that he was more likely to be speaking with her of “poetry” rather than procreation.
Let me flag one thing here, because I suspect no one else will: Ferguson’s remarks came at an investment conference he was presumably being well-paid to attend, something he does with remarkable frequency. At these conferences, there’s a lot of temptation to say things that aren’t really very smart, but you suspect, on some level, will please the crowd, and get you invited to more conferences, ka-ching.
As I wrote in this space last August,
[Ferguson’s] speeches are nice work if you can get it. But are they worth the damage to your reputation that comes from compromising your work?
Ferguson’s apology seems pretty heartfelt. The Times doesn’t include this, but he writes on his blog,
My colleagues, students, and friends – straight and gay – have every right to be disappointed in me, as I am in myself. To them, and to everyone who heard my remarks at the conference or has read them since, I deeply and unreservedly apologize.
On the other hand, he points out that this was “an off-the-cuff response that was not part of my presentation,” which to me only suggests that this is the kind of thing Ferguson says when he’s not being careful.
I’ve never met Niall Ferguson, and I’m sure that in person he can be quite charming. He’s got the accent, he’s a handsome guy (not that I’m effete or anything), and so on.
But there does seem to be a bit of the bully in him. Last August I wrote about Ferguson because of his deplorable and factually-challenged Newsweek piece attacking Barack Obama, and about the nasty response Ferguson gave after being widely criticized for his economic mistakes in the piece.
Ferguson said at the time:
….the spectacle of the American liberal blogosphere in one of its almost daily fits of righteous indignation is not so much ridiculous as faintly sinister. Why? Because what I have encountered since the publication of my Newsweek article criticizing President Obama looks suspiciously like an orchestrated attempt to discredit me.
Mmmm…no.
Or maybe Ferguson just has a streak of immaturity in him—he likes to say things for shock value, then he’s surprised and outraged when people are shocked by them.
I rarely agree with Jonah Goldberg, but I’ll grant him this argument that there’s nothing inherently wrong in saying that one’s intellectual views can be shaped by life experience. Of course they can; it’s harder to imagine that they can’t.
But I do think it’s all about the way in which says these things, particularly when you’re talking about a charged subject such as homosexuality. Ferguson doesn’t sound like he was making a serious argument, just being flip—and that’s when it gets ugly.
George Chauncey, a Yale scholar of gays in American history, in an interview emphasized that he was not weighing in on the economic arguments involved, but noted that Mr. Ferguson’s comments resembled past attempts to undercut gays in public life.
I think it’s probably too much to say that that’s what Ferguson was up to, but that may have been a consequence of his remarks; you can see all these bankers walking away saying, oh, we don’t have to worry about Keynes now, the guy was a fruit. Which is what Ferguson probably should apologize for.
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5/7/2024 6:41 am
… (not that I’m effete or anything)
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
5/7/2024 7:23 am
“On the other hand, he points out that this was ‘an off-the-cuff response that was not part of my presentation,’ which to me only suggests that this is the kind of thing Ferguson says when he’s not being careful.”
Would that it were so: in fact he and his ilk say them all the time.
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2013/05/saying-more-than-when-the-storm-is-long-past-the-ocean-is-flat.html#more
Here is Ferguson in a book for example:
“Though his work at the Treasury gratified his sense of self-importance, the war itself made Keynes deeply unhappy. Even his sex life went into a decline, perhaps because the boys in London he liked to pick up all joined up.”
Only recently have they stopped getting away with the fruit-baiting you aptly describe.
Like most warmongers, Ferguson is simply a nasty piece of work whose various insecurities are of a piece with his love of dominance in geopolitics and his taste for not-really-even-clever dishonesty. That’s what’s wrong with him: he is a low-quality human being.
5/7/2024 7:32 am
On another topic, Smith and Hammonds are in the Crimson today being weasels:
“Part of improving communication, they said, means clarifying policies that are not sufficiently clear.”. Yeah, right. The policy requiring notification of faculty members whose emails are searched is just SOOOOO confusing!
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2013/5/6/hammonds-smith-interview-searches/#
Smith also tips his hand by commenting bemusedly that the resident deans who are on the Faculty Council have the temerity to “show up to” meetings of the Faculty Council.
5/7/2024 12:11 pm
Is the Keynes we’re speaking about the same Keynes who was a member (and Treasurer) of the Cambridge branch of the Eugenics Education Society, “founded in 1907 to promote public awareness of eugenic problems, the existence of positive and negative hereditary qualities.” Or am I confusing that Keynes with another Keynes?
I don’t think Skidelsky mentions that in his magnificent biography of Keynes, so it must be another Keynes.
5/7/2024 12:23 pm
I like SE’s answer to the question posed in your head: NF is just a “low-quality human being.” A persuasive diagnosis.
5/7/2024 12:35 pm
SS,
Surely you’re aware that before the Nazis gave it a bad name eugenics was considered a respectable set of ideas. Oliver Wendell Holmes, TR, and Woodrow Wilson were proponents. Your ad hominem just there is similar to attacking Abraham Lincoln for not supporting female suffrage.
My own ad hominem becomes more persuasive, as a statement of opinion, the more you look at the evidence. Ferguson was a darling of all the worst elements in American geopolitical discourse circa 2003, and he embraced the role.
5/7/2024 1:50 pm
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2013/05/keynesian-economics-the-gay-science.html#more
Also this:
“e problem with Niall Ferguson’s apology is its obvious sincerity. He could correct that fairly easily. I suggest: ‘For decades I have been earning a good living using as one of my stock lines: ‘Keynes was a perv and his theories are pervy and those who believe his theories are probably perverts too-and there are also Communists who don’t believe his theories but spout them anyway.’ I never believed that. The historical evidence for it was so thin. It was just boob bait for the bubbas. But it was effective boob bait, and helped me advance. Now it is clear that this line is past its sell-by date. I’m sorry I used it at the Altegris conference. I won’t be using it again.” “
5/7/2024 2:57 pm
@ SE
I’m very much aware of the history of eugenics. Why the hell are you always so condescending.
You did mean Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., not Oliver Wendell Holmes, didn’t you?
5/7/2024 3:09 pm
Yes, I mean Jr., the Supreme Court justice, who famously upheld forced sterilization for the disabled because “Three generations of imbeciles are enough.”
I was being condescending because it seemed more polite to imply that you omitted the key context because you forgot that not everyone reading this thread knows it as well as you do, rather than to imply that you were trying to mislead any such people that might be out there.
5/7/2024 4:52 pm
Jeez, Ferguson’s contrition about his homophobic comments lasted a nano-second. Here’s an appropriate response to his “open letter” in the Crimson today: http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2013/05/sarah-palins-definition-of-free-speech-finds-another-convert
5/8/2024 3:25 am
If the eugenics thread still matters to anyone, no less a figure than Charles William Eliot served as Vice President of the First International Congress of Eugenics in London in 1912, after concluding his 40-year Harvard presidency.
mad @er, that is a good one. The suggestion that you can’t criticize what academics say because that threatens their academic freedom is a cowardly shield. The Ferguson defense reminds me of Faust’s response to my calling out Michael Porter for declaring (for a price) that Gadaffi’s Libya was a democracy.
5/8/2024 5:46 am
1912 would make it just about the time that President Lowell was beginning to think about his Jewish quotas ideas.
5/8/2024 6:48 am
(This comment is NOT directed at Sam but is just more about NF.)
One difference between the modal influential conservative and people like me is that I discredit people based on their being wrong and counterproductive in their actual work. Conservatives’ ad hominem attacks almost always reduce to impugning a person’s masculinity of mind or normality of identity.
Here is another example of Ferguson playing the sexual-insecurity card against an opponent after losing hugely important substantive arguments.
“In my view Paul Krugman has done fundamental damage to the quality of public discourse on economics. He can be forgiven for being wrong, as he frequently is–though he never admits it. He can be forgiven for relentlessly and monotonously politicizing every issue. What is unforgivable is the total absence of civility that characterizes his writing. His inability to debate a question without insulting his opponent suggests some kind of deep insecurity perhaps the result of a childhood trauma. It is a pity that a once talented scholar should demean himself in this way.”
Please note for the record that I DO consider Lincoln less great for his failure to endorse female suffrage. And eugenics was always a terrible idea in light of the power relations governing its implementation in any real-life society.
5/8/2024 7:16 am
Okay, a terrible idea morally, full stop. I don’t actually know what these societies proposed — ignorance talking, sorry.
5/8/2024 7:30 am
One need not agree with all of this to find it compelling evidence for my proposition above:
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2013/05/niall-fergusons-latest-gay-bashing-is-the-least-of-his-problems.html
5/8/2024 8:52 am
I notice that I myself accused NF of ‘various insecurities’ in my first post above. That was unfair in its unsupported implication that sexual insecurity was one of them. It begins to become clear to me, too, that it was wrong. Ferguson’s ways of talking about homosexuality seem to be attempts to discredit opponents in the eyes of a homophobic society-at-large, not reactions to a perceived threat to his own sexuality.
The insecurities of Ferguson as a theorist of Empire, however, are hard to deny. And comments like Ferguson’s (especially calling Keynes “effete” as a thinker) are usually associated with complexes like the one I was insinuating.
I apologize for the error and for the hypocrisy.
5/8/2024 9:09 am
The very new Digital Public Library of America promises to add substantially to the way research is done by scholars and, additionally, make available to those of us who are not, vast resources for our enjoyment. It is only beginning to show what it will eventually be, but nonetheless it is already valuable. Thank you Professor Darnton. Bravo!
Here are three entries on eugenics picked at random. This is not directed at SE, but merely is presented to show how the DPLA will be able to offer.
Leonard Darwin http://archive.org/details/whatiseugenics00darw
Franz Boas Eugenics http://archive.org/details/jstor-6055
Eugenics Congress 1921 http://archive.org/details/jstor-2965274
5/8/2024 10:02 am
Wow, SUPER-racist. Thanks.