Harvard’s Offensive Video
Posted on November 18th, 2010 in Uncategorized | 27 Comments »
The New York Post reports, “Heartless Harvard undergrads have mocked the brutal murder of a Yale grad student in a video for a student-run Web site.”
The humor site “On Harvard Time” features a video in which ostensible Yale undergrads sing about why they went to Yale, which is apparently because they didn’t get in to Harvard.
But, the Post reports,
One person blurts out, “What happened to that girl that got murdered and stuffed in a wall?”
The question refers to Annie Le, 24, who was killed at Yale last year, allegedly by Ray Clark III, a lab technician there.
Nice.
Here’s the video with the offending line edited out.
Even sans tastelessness, this video is sadly far from funny.
Instead, it feels more like a projection of Harvard students’ anxieties about why they went to Harvard than what it was intended to be, a spoof of Yale’s admissions videos, on the eve of The Game.
The New Haven Register features an account of the incident containing a response (via press release! Unsigned! Courageous.).
“In the video, the nationally covered incident was mentioned by an audience member and the admissions officer character promptly brushed over the question,” On Harvard Time said in its release. “Our intention was to comment on Yale’s guarded treatment of their crime problems. The humor rested in the glossing over of a significant event, and not in the event itself. The line was not meant to make light of the incident or those involved, but rather to mock the university.”
This is clearly untrue, for a couple of reasons.
One, by no account except that of On Harvard Time did Yale “gloss over” a tragedy.
Here, for example, is a news report about a concert held in Le’s memory by the Yale School of Music, to raise money for the Annie Le Memorial Fellowship Fund.
Two, the theme of the video is that New Haven is crime-ridden, not that Yale tries to cover up New Haven’s problems. (And, in any event, this was not a “New Haven problem”—the killer was allegedly a laboratory employee with a sick obsession.)
So, as apologies go, this one is pretty weak. Who will stand up and say, “It was my idea and my fault, I clearly didn’t think sufficiently about my attempt at humor and stepped over a line that I now realize was cruel?”
Finally, a small point that comes, I’ll admit, from my sense of undergraduate loyalty: While this video argues that Yale students cower inside their undergraduate colleges because the streets of New Haven are unsafe, the students involved seem unaware that just a year and a half ago, a young man was shot to death in a drug deal gone wrong inside a Harvard house.
I think I missed the memorial concert for that young man.
And, as the Crimson reported,
…administrators have remained relatively mum on the potential security flaws exposed by the incident and their response to them, citing ongoing criminal investigations.
…Despite Harvard’s silence….
Perhaps there is more transference happening here.
The Crimson appears to have written nothing about this incident.
27 Responses
11/18/2010 12:38 pm
Off topic: But I was interested in this NBC interview with Drew Faust defending the humanities.
And this blog response the interview by Michael Bérubéto, professor of literature at Penn State. He highlights the graph shown during the interview, showing that humanities enrollments have remained constant in the last 20 years and that the precipitous drop off preceded that.
11/18/2010 12:39 pm
Whoops: missing “to” got added to Michael Bérubé’s name.
11/18/2010 9:27 pm
Richard,
I certainly understand at least part of what you don’t like about the video. But I am not clear what normative point you are making about Harvard, or if it is a point about Harvard students being natively different from Yale students, or if it is about what Harvard does to Harvard students after they arrive? In particular, what do you think Harvard, the university, should do about this particular behavior by Harvard students? Or is there something you think Harvard should do, or should stop doing that it is already doing, that would make future Harvard students less likely to do offensive things?
This is a serious question, not an argument. Your headline makes it sound as though some university office put this out, or should take responsibility for it. I always found it very hard to figure out what to do when students, individually or as part of an organization, did lawful but moronic things that reflect badly on the institution.
11/19/2010 12:49 am
Harry Lewis is right. It’s not “Harvard’s Offensive Video.” It’s an offensive video by Harvard students. This is like a HuffPo “SHOCK” headline. Was the video made for a course taught by a professor? Was it made by a student group advised by an officer of the university? You can’t cover everything in orientation about decent behavior.
11/19/2010 7:30 am
By the way, almost every year at about this time Richard takes a public stand in favor of students’ rights to do UNlawful moronic things that reflect badly on the university. See In which I Take A Stand for Public Drunkenness, for example, from November 2005, or a similar piece from November 2007.
Anyway, should be nice for the real rivalry on Saturday!
11/19/2010 10:47 am
Inflammatory headline aside, Harry, I do take a public stand for students to do things that hurt only themselves. Granted, few are mature enough to know where to draw that line. But there is a world of difference between passing out at a football game and using a murder for cheap humor.
I don’t think Harvard officially should do much if anything about this particular incident; even students have First Amendment rights. (Disputed by some, I know, but still.) I’d hate to see some heavyhanded response—even though I do think On Harvard Time’s official response was pretty unimpressive.
Yet I do think Harvard collectively fosters the kind of arrogance shown in the video among its incoming students because Harvard itself is not collectively humble.
This is a massive generalization, of course, but I do think that the message most students get is not, be humble and do good, it’s, you’re special or you wouldn’t be here, now succeed even further.
And I do think it’s true that Harvard students think more about whether they made the right choice than Yale students do; it’s just my impression, but Yale students, generally speaking, seem quite comfortable with their choice, and don’t worry that they made it for the wrong reasons—because “Yale is #1!” or because their parents always wanted them to go to Yale or something. In my experience as a student at both places—and a student counselor at both places—those and comparable questions were far more prevalent at Harvard.
So it’s a dangerous combination: insecurity about why you’re there, and a general campus culture which promotes self-aggrandizement.
I’ve seen Harvard students absolutely torn up by that tension…
Maybe it’s because Yale doesn’t have that level of pressure—we have to be #1 in everything!—but there’s less of that in New Haven.
On another note, who’s going to win this weekend?
11/19/2010 12:49 pm
A few comments in response.
1) You are inferring a lot from a bad joke told by an adolescent. Dunno about you, but have hurt a few people with my bad humor in my day.
2) I would have hauled these people into my office and yelled at them and told them to grow up.
3) You are wrong about whom you hurt when you hurt yourself from alcohol poisoning. I am not a member of MADD, etc., but I was around when the ambulance got stuck in the mud trying to rescue a drunken student on Soldiers Field. The people who die are often not the ones who bought the alcohol; peers pressure peers into drinking and are themselves too drunk to realize when someone else is in danger. So peers, not to mention family members and people getting hit by racing ambulances, are also victims when someone decides it is fun to get blotto to the point of risk of death. It’s selfish when someone does that.
4) I have certainly spoken about humility here, which I wouldn’t have done if I didn’t think it was an issue. But I don’t think I can accept your generalization about Harvard vs. Yale students, which I suspect is heavily influenced by a perfectly valid comparison of H and Y presidents, by the mid-November atmosphere, and by your irritation at the fact that Yale really is #2 as everybody knows 😉 But let’s suppose it’s true for the sake of argument. Is it nature or nurture? If it’s nature, perhaps Harvard just has more extreme types of all kinds. Could it be the flip side of neither Microsoft nor Facebook having been founded by a Yale drop-out? If it’s nurture, I might point my finger at the dominance of Economics here. We actually know that taking intro economics decreases altruism, and more Harvard students take Economics than anything else. Plus the leadership of Harvard has long been dominated by economists.
11/19/2010 1:01 pm
Fair points, Harry. It’s certainly true that a young person who dies of alcohol poisoning hurts more than him or herself, and absolutely, we’ve all hurt people unintentionally with off-the-mark (or on-the-mark) humor. This incident just felt egregious.
I actually think whether Yale is #1 or #2 is pretty complicated if you break it down—different departments, undergraduate education generally, specific graduate schools, campus social life, and so on. These are all areas in which Yale is often better than Harvard.
But where Harvard is unquestionably #1 is in having the more prominent brand, and, IMHO, as a result sometimes attracting people who go for the sizzle rather than the steak. And yes, speaking of economics, if it’s just the monetary value of the diploma you’re interested in, you’d probably go to Harvard. So there’s that.
Of course, we both know that both schools, Yale and Harvard, are stocked with wonderful and remarkable and inspiring young people.
As to your question about Microsoft and Facebook, I suspect there’s a lot of truth to your point. Harvard may contain more of the most deeply ambitious young people, because to get into Harvard (Yale too, but probably less so), you have to be deeply ambitious.
And I also agree that the dominance of economics at Harvard-something not true of Yale, at least when I was there, things may have changed—does have a real influence on the character of the place. Those economists are pretty sharp, but their people skills—their humanism…sometimes not so great.
11/19/2010 1:13 pm
Now don’t belittle the ambitiousness of Yale students, Richard. After all, GWB was just an ordinary bloke who wanted to become president, and look how he succeeded!
Harvard will win tomorrow, of course, though given the way the Yale coach threw the game away last year, and the fact that Yale might share the Ivy title, I will not be too sad if Yale somehow manages to win this one. Any Yale student who played in last year’s game deserves better than he got.
11/19/2010 1:40 pm
I like to think that it was HBS that made GWB into the man—nay, the president—that he was.
Harvard probably will win tomorrow. Sigh. I don’t care that much, but like the Yankees/Red Sox, it’s more fun when the underdog wins once in a while.
11/19/2010 3:09 pm
Oh gawd is this boring - almost as boring as the stupid video.
11/19/2010 4:52 pm
What’s wrong with you guys? This video is hilarious. It’s a joke. A parody. It doesn’t have to be 100% factual — it uses hyperbole and other techniques it make its point. It’s not offensive in the least, not even with the original comment, though perhaps that comment makes some people uncomfortable.
11/19/2010 9:31 pm
Funny video-thanks for posting.
11/20/2010 7:21 am
What is really peculiar about spoofing the Yale video is that it doesn’t need spoofing: it is already a parody of itself. Wondering if I was alone in my reaction to the original, I read the comments on the video on the New York Times site. (see http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/19/yale/) Nope. The video is truly…beyond words.
As for bringing up the murder of Annie Le, something like the murder of Christian Prince, which was directly linked to the socioeconomic disparities in New Haven, is more to the point. Though equally tasteless. The producers would have done better citing crime statistics for New Haven.
11/20/2010 11:31 am
There are many things Harvard faculty and administrators could do when faced with students who behave unbecomingly.
The first is to teach them, and to spend more time focused on their mission, instead of spending it transactions with each other, gossip and other irrelevant stuff. Maybe the reason Harvard students are so immature is because they lack role models at Harvard.
The second thing they could do is stop thinking of themselves aas number 1 and look around at how other Universities are seizing the current crisis as an opportunity to become stronger, leaner, more relevant.
In both of these, a little humility among Harvard and an interest in looking at what places that are commited to Lux, as well as to Veritas, do.
Incidentally, Yale is about to annonce the boldest international initiative any University has yet pursued in China, a cooperative program with the Central Party to educate all key government officials and future leaders.
And what is Harvard doing in China???
Clearly, Richard Levin and his team are focused on leading, and don’t spend as much time in PR as leaders elsewhere…maybe he understands that light is not the same as glitz.
11/20/2010 11:36 am
Harry,
Is it true that a provostial committee is working on a modification to Harvard’s seal that will replace ‘VE RI TAS’ with ‘GLITZ ET VERITAS’?
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&rlz=1W1GGLL_en&q=harvard+seal&wrapid=tlif12902708021591&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=dPjnTLTPJsH58AbxgP3ECQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CC8QsAQwAA&biw=1356&bih=484
Too bad Lux et Veritas is already taken
http://www.google.com/images?rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS345US345&q=lux+et+veritas&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1339&bih=484
11/20/2010 11:02 pm
I can’t for the life of me figure out what risk that last poster might feel that would require anonymity, except the risk of having some bias or agenda revealed. Anonymity has its place, but it sure makes it hard to take comments seriously.
Nice game, in which a superior Yale team again lost. They can’t be feeling good in New Haven tonight. There were a couple of scary hits. Hope everybody who was testing Newton’s Third Law with their helmets is going to be OK, as early reports suggest.
Richard, last comment on the video — if the roles of Harvard and Yale had been reversed, i wonder if the incident would even have been newsworthy. You say Harvard is obsessed with being number 1, but I expect that some of the hostility on this among Yalies is simply due to the fact that Harvard, for no substantial reason, so dominates in the public imagination, as the attention to this very incident demonstrates.
11/21/2010 9:04 am
So Harvard won the football game. It’s nice to know that Crimson students can still perform in the rites of yesteryear.
As for the games that will matter to their future employment prospects, to their ability to lead, and to Harvard’s future reputation, perhaps Harry and others should be spending more time thinking about the impact that AHELO will have in how the public imagination is activated by knowledge about what Harvard students learn, relative to their peers in other institutions
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/01/28/oecd
As for Yale’s initiative in China… just wait to read the response of the global financial firms and major donors to the initiative, once announced. Those who make contributions to the endowments of universities use yardsticks to decide where to invest. Maybe this is the reason Yale leads others in contributions to the endowment in the last several years.
Harry, is that negative growth for Harvard last year?
11/21/2010 9:35 am
This disparaging video might be construed as a libel designed to influence application decisions of high school students… it would be important for the university administration to distance itself in no uncertain terms from this effort.
Since some of the scenes were filmed in Harvard property -much of it in Radcliffe Yard, for example- and since Harvard has strict rules that prevent filming on campus, a reasonable question is whether this video was filmed with explicit or implicit approval of Harvard’s administrators.
Here is where the outside shots were filmed, the Radcliffe Institute, the very institution that Drew Faust directed before her appointment as President:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2728/4383055149_15c0ce4d6c.jpg&imgrefurl=http://flickr.com/photos/eileansiar/4383055149/&usg=__7wSfyyNxpVInLkxV2OAD_25G1r8=&h=375&w=500&sz=286&hl=en&start=37&zoom=1&tbnid=nqatu6rIBRudzM:&tbnh=149&tbnw=199&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dradcliffe%2Binstitute%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1T4GGLL_enUS345US345%26biw%3D1339%26bih%3D484%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C921&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=944&vpy=104&dur=537&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=131&ty=113&ei=bCzpTK7AB4K0lQeN3eWnCQ&oei=USzpTM_9IMP7lwekmeyeCw&esq=3&page=3&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:37&biw=1339&bih=484
It is tragic that the video includes so many references to crime in the streets of New Haven… given the recent reported series of crimes around Harvard Yard.
Clearly the production of this video is an exhibit on poor judgement. Hopefully this is only poor judgement on the part of undergraduates. Let us hope the adults that have been entrusted with their education show better judgement.
11/21/2010 10:06 am
More on the immaturity of some undergraduates
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2010/11/19/email-mclean-mckinsey-martinez/
Kudos to the Crimson and to those in the administration looking into this. A ‘teachable moment’ to try to instill some ethics into those undergraduates, before they head out to run Wall Street or Congress.
11/21/2010 4:39 pm
Good lord, the self-righteousness from the anonymous Yale advocates in this thread is ludicrous.
11/21/2010 8:49 pm
This is a case of mountains, mole hills, and bad taste, none of which are exclusive to Harvard and/or Yale. As for Pavlonian response, well…
11/22/2010 7:17 am
Actually, mad@er, I think that’s one person, and it’s a Harvardian, judging by the computer signature, not a Yale advocate.
11/22/2010 8:28 am
This interview with Larry Summers in the Wall Street Journal sets the stage for the forthcoming announcement of Yale’s initiative in China
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703628204575619250079601996.html?mod=WSJ_topics_obama
11/22/2010 9:34 am
On the hand, I guess I shouldn’t complain about anonymous comments, since our esteemed blogger, it turns out, knows all about the posters. On the other hand, I wonder if he is really sure there were no Yale apologists using 140.247 IP addresses this weekend!
11/22/2010 10:11 am
Harry-nope, don’t know all about the posters. But the comments come to me via email with a server address that, I think, identifies the computer they come from.
I have no idea how to find out who someone is from what, and no interest whatsoever in finding out.
But it does allow me to spot people who are just up to no good-writing one comment that says x, then another that says y, just to stir the pot, for example.
And yes, you are correct-a shame about the Game!
11/22/2010 10:12 am
Sorry, “..who someone is from *that*…”