Caroline Speaks. Kinda-Sorta.
Posted on December 30th, 2008 in Uncategorized | 27 Comments »
The Times publishes a transcript of its interview with Caroline Kennedy. Not pretty.
NYT: why should [Governor Paterson] pick you over any of these other ones, what makes you the best candidate?
CK: Well, it obviously depends what the governor is looking for. I can tell you what I think I’d bring to this, which is, you know, I’m not a conventional choice, I haven’t followed the traditional path, but I do think I’d bring a kind of a lifetime of experience that is relevant to this job. I think that what we’ve seen over the last year, and particularly and even up to the last — is that there’s a lot of different ways that people are coming to public life now, and it’s not only the traditional path. Even in the New York delegation, you know, some of our great senators — Hillary Clinton, Pat Moynihan — came from, you know, other walks of life. We’ve got Carolyn McCarthy, John Hall, both of them have an unconventional background, so I don’t think that that is, uh — so I think in many ways, you know, we want to have all kinds of different voices, you know, representing us, and I think what I bring to it is, you know, my experience as a mother, as a woman, as a lawyer, you know, I’ve been an education activist for the last six years here, and, you know, I’ve written seven books — two on the Constitution, two on American politics. So obviously, you know, we have different strengths and weaknesses. And I think I also bring kind of a lifetime commitment to public service, a knowledge of these issues, and I’ve spent a lot of time encouraging people, and younger people, to go into public service, through a lot of the, you know, nonprofit work I’ve done. So I think it’s a whole, it’s different, it’s completely different, and it really is up to the governor to decide who would do the best job.
Got that?
The obvious point to make here is that Caroline isn’t eloquent. Perhaps it would be unfair to ask that of her; she is new at this business, after all. (Though one would think that she’d have done some public speaking…because, of course, she has.)
But what is more interesting to me is that this linguistic confusion reflects a search for a voice, which is something you often see in an individual in a state of transition. Caroline Kennedy is not ready for this job. She may be at some point; she might make a great senator. (I doubt it, but sure, it’s possible.)
And her voice reflects that state of transition, gives it away absolutely.
Depending on your taste, this may be a good or bad thing. Sometimes it’s refreshing to have a pol who doesn’t speak in canned soundbites. At the same time, the level of Kennedy’s verbal fumbling is pretty extreme; the quote above borders on incoherence, which is traditionally considered a liability in a politician.
From a journalistic standpoint, rather than a personal one, I’m fascinated—people in a state of change are always the most interesting to watch.
Now, a small but significant point: Kennedy says in that quote above that she was written seven books.
A look on Amazon shows that this is not quite true. In fact, it’s a pretty egregious exaggeration that, coming from someone else, we might actually call a lie.
Kennedy has co-written two books examining famous Supreme Court cases. She has also compiled a book of her mother’s favorite poems, a book of poems and songs and stuff celebrating America, an anthology about winners of the Profiles in Courage award, “a potpourri of her favorite stories” [etc] about Christmas, and another book of poems for children.
So, if you actually want to get all literal about it, Caroline Kennedy hasn’t really written any books. [And that’s not even considering how much hired help she had putting those books together—do you think she really went out and found those songs celebrating America all by her lonesome?]
It’s one thing to stumble answering questions you’ve never had to answer before. It’s another to exaggerate your resume in a way that borders on falsehood.
27 Responses
12/30/2008 2:48 pm
I’m hearing echoes of your comments re Sarah Palin’s accent and lack of eloquence — but the treatment is different. If memory serves, you ultimately concluded that Palin’s inability to speak like an educated and experienced public servant probably pointed up that she is not in fact particularly well educated or particularly experienced. With Kennedy, you focus on her psychic state — i.e., her “state of transition”. So I’m curious: do you see parallels? What does this tell us about politics and politicians, wisdom and class?
12/30/2008 8:15 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC_rwEm12io
12/30/2008 8:46 pm
I don’t see that this is particularly marked by linguistic confusion. It’s not particularly deep and contentful, but I’d overlook the “you knows” and the occasional self-interruptions as pretty innocuous. This doesn’t even come close to the incoherence of Palin’s speech.
You haven’t mentioned the question of Bloomberg. My understanding is that some of the resistance of NY Democrats to Caroline has very little to do with her, aside from the fact that she has not pledged to support a Democrat for mayor and is implicitly supporting Bloomberg.
12/31/2008 1:06 am
She does a whole lot better interviewed by this kid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_SliWNgVZE
12/31/2008 6:51 am
That interview actually strikes me as weird. Shea barely smiles throughout the entire interview, and at one point she sighs as if to say, Can we get this over with? Her answers feel canned and slightly cold. Not encouraging, I would say.
12/31/2008 10:26 am
Hey, at least she didn’t check her watch!
12/31/2008 10:31 am
Have you ever been interviewed by a kid? Try answering questions (as a lawyer) to a 9 year old so that he and his classmates can understand. It just shows how little you really know about life in the public realm.
12/31/2008 10:54 am
As a matter of fact, I have, for a children’s news show. And I’m not sure what being a lawyer has anything to do with it. Lawyers can’t speak to children?
(Not to mention the fact that Caroline Kennedy, who’s about 50, has never practiced law, and I seriously doubt is still a member of the bar. So not quite accurate to call her a lawyer.)
12/31/2008 2:08 pm
I believe that she is a member of the bar in both NY and DC. Please correct if wrong. So, just because she does not practice does not disqualify her from the title.
Richard, what registrations test do journalists take in order to write..,doctors and nurses have to pass “boards”, lawyers have to pass the bar and financial types have to pass the series 7, 63, 65 etc. And you….a keypad?
12/31/2008 2:20 pm
Well, Anonn, you sound like a lawyer, so you will of course know that lawyers in the United States didn’t always have to pass a bar, and that the reason such tests arose was to provide an economic advantage to members of a guild. (This as opposed to doctors, who have to pass exams because if they screw up, it’s your life.) Anyone happen to know if Abraham Lincoln had to pass a bar? I know John Adams sure didn’t.
Journalists have no such tests, although some people feel they should. I don’t. The democratic nature of journalism is a pain in the ass sometimes, but it’s also a great virtue; we’re never allowed to think that we are so far above the maddening crowd that the same rules don’t apply to us. That’s exactly as journalism should be. Our status depends on our merit, and nothing else.
12/31/2008 2:21 pm
Also…how on earth could CK be a member of the DC bar?
12/31/2008 2:32 pm
She can be a member of the DC bar by meeting the membership requirements, which do not require local residency. You would know that if you were a lawyer. But you’re not.
P.S. It’s “madding”, not “maddening”. Freudian slip?
12/31/2008 2:34 pm
The Madding Crowd is the major-label debut album by the band Nine Days. It spawned two major hit singles, “Absolutely (Story of a Girl)” and “If I Am”. The Madding Crowd peaked at #67 on the Billboard Top 200.
12/31/2008 2:56 pm
Well Richard you sound like one of those kids who just couldn’t get invited to the cool kids club.
Or is it a Swamp Yankee thing not liking Irish Catholics?
And did you really get your jobs on merit? If you hadn’t gone to the prep school and college you went to and met the people you did would you be where you are now based on your talent? Probably not.
And did you get into the country day school because of who you are or because of your parents and their standing in the community? C’mon, it works both ways. So, sour apples aside, answer the questions honestly. It is a new year and no one likes a whiner.
12/31/2008 3:32 pm
Richard is a cool kid, silly.
12/31/2008 4:48 pm
What’s a “swamp Yankee”? That’s a new one on me. Something the Red Sox fans shout out when in their cups?
And just for the record, getting places by knowing people isn’t limited to folks who went to prep school or the Ivy League. If you eliminated every union job that was procured by connections, every corporate job tainted by nepotism, you’d have a long line at the unemployment office.
And not for nothing Anon 2:56, you’re the one who sounds like a whiner.
WGD
12/31/2008 5:02 pm
Just Wondering - you made my point and the whole point of the story. Socratic method.
12/31/2008 5:17 pm
Swamp Yankee is a colloquialism that has a variety of meanings. Generally, it refers to Yankees or WASPs (northeasterners with colonial ancestry) from rural Rhode Island and nearby eastern Connecticut and southeastern Massachusetts. The term “Yankee” connotes urbane industriousness, while the term “Swamp Yankee” signifies a more countrified, stubborn, independent and less refined subtype.
12/31/2008 6:34 pm
I have no idea what you’re on about, but its certainly entertaining.
1/1/2024 11:16 am
Response to Just Wondering thinking Swamp Yankee was a Red Sox term.
Happy New Year!
1/1/2024 11:18 am
Swamp Yankee definition in response to Just Wondering’s idea that the term was a Red Sox “thing”. Nope.
Happy New Year!
1/1/2024 2:04 pm
The question of whether CK is a member of the New York or DC bars is a findoutable fact, so not worth arguing about. Of course I know that one can be a member of a state bar without living in that state. What I wondered was why Caroline would maintain a DC bar license though she’s never lived in DC and never practiced law; it makes no sense.
Apologies for “maddening crowd.” In a hurry yesterday. But it’s kind of a nice phrase, actually, so I’m going to take credit for it.
As to whether I’m cool or not, who gives a damn?
1/1/2024 2:39 pm
I believe the statement was, “how on earth could CK be a member of the DC bar?” So I doubt your protest above, but whatev. Being a blogger is like wearing a target on your back, isn’t it?
1/1/2024 2:58 pm
I always hated the cool kids. Because they were also the mean ones, too.
1/2/2024 8:23 am
Really. All the cool kids are mean?
1/2/2024 5:02 pm
In my school, they are. Really.
1/2/2024 9:53 pm
Really? Then they are the mean kids not the cool kids. Cuz where I went to school the cool kids were smart enough (and nice hence cool) not to be stupid and mean to other people.
If the mean kids think they are cool well…time to disabuse them of that notion, eh.
I say for the New Year that every mean kid masquerading as a cool kid has to be cut down to size and all of us are responsible for making sure it happens.
By the way, Caroline is not a mean kid. But the people around her are so try not to get hurt.