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Thursday, March 13, 2024
  The Religious Debate Continues
Two articles in the Crimson touch on whether two recent events at Harvard have manifested institutional promotion of Islam at the expense of the rights and beliefs of others.

On the Opinion page, Diana Esposito, Benjamin Taylor and Aaron Williams write about their concern over the fact that, two weeks ago, the Islamic call to prayer, or adhan, was broadcast from the steps of Widener.

No doubt, the week’s events have broadened some horizons, and exposed some in our community to facets of a religion with which they were not previously familiar. This is certainly a good thing. However, it should be asked if other, more important concerns have been overlooked.

The adhan contains a very specific and prescriptive religious message, the authors continue: God is the greatest, Mohammad is the messenger of God, and so on.

We cherish the fact that it is possible to discuss our differences with our classmates and neighbors without that discussion erupting into conflict and sowing the seeds of division and disrespect.

We believe that the adhan, issued publicly in a pluralistic setting, does indeed sow those seeds of division and disrespect.

....To the extent that this statement is a profession of faith, it is benign; however, by virtue of its content, it is also a declaration of religious superiority and a declaration against all beliefs that conflict with those two statements.

The authors of this piece do not believe that there is no lord but God. Nor do we believe that Muhammad was God’s prophet. In fact, we do not believe in prophets. We expect that our statements might be offensive to some, and for that reason, we believe that it wouldn’t be appropriate, in the name of spreading awareness about our beliefs, use a public address system to declare to everyone in Harvard Yard that God is imaginary, that prayer is a waste of time, or that Muhammad was not a prophet.

This is the kind of indepence of mind and spirit that I find quite inspiring. It is not easy at Harvard to stand up and say that the embrace of pluralism does not extend to accepting the broadcasting of a particular belief, particularly one which tells you that your beliefs are wrong. These students respect the specific words of a particular faith enough to say, I disagree with it, and I'm offended by the way that its language seems to denigrate my beliefs, and Harvard shouldn't be sanctioning such speech by blasting it from the steps of a building—particularly one which is supposed to represent the promotion of reason and pluralism.

Certainly one can disagree with the argument; I'm sure there are posters here who would say, it's a one-time thing, imagine the administrative challenges of saying no, hearing the adan is educational, and so on. (Imagine the protests if you rejected a request to broadcast the adan! The cries of discrimination!)

Perhaps Harvard should now broadcast prayers of all religions from the steps of Widener. After all, having broadcast one prayer, wouldn't it now be discriminatory to say no to others? Perhaps a Latin Mass? Or maybe Christmas carols? Or, as the writers suggest, perhaps they should get the right to broadcast their statement of atheism: There is no God, prayer is a waste of time, etc., etc.

On the other hand, there's a serious argument that such religious displays are a reasonable compromise, and we gain more from tolerating them, even if we find them irksome, than by prohibiting them.

Some of those arguments are worth taking seriously.

Still, God love the dissenter who puts pen to paper and, in a grand American tradition, says, Get your religion out of my face.

And I love the fact that, while some professors pooh-pooh the issue, denying its import, three students stand up and say, no, there's a principle here, and no matter how small or fleeting the incident overlying the principle, it is important to speak up and say what's really going on.

That said, the Crimson also reports on Ola Aljawhary ’09, a young woman who is chair of the Harvard Islamic Society’s Islamic Knowledge Committee and has become a sort of unofficial spokesperson for Muslim women in the segregated-gym story.

It’s become sort of an invasion of my personal space and privacy,” Aljawhary said. “My mental space is so cluttered by all these requests, but I don’t want anyone to say there’s a lack of transparency, or that I declined to comment. I’m now seen as the ‘it’ girl, the go-to-person, and it’s gotten intense.”

Aljawhary was not in the original group of six women who asked for men to be banned from the QRAC during certain hours. You have to give her credit for nonetheless recognizing the importance of responding to media interest in a frank, non-Harwellian way, acknowledging that transparency is healthy and promotes greater understanding of important issues.

Meanwhile, has a single Harvard official publicly addressed the matter?


"I’d be flattered by all the attention it if it weren’t so negative. All of it’s pretty derogatory, pretty degrading, personally hurtful,” she said. “We should be able to accommodate the minorities within reasonable limits. Otherwise, you’re saying they should just shut their mouths.

It's unfair to read too much into a single newspaper quote, but Ms. Aljawhary's interpretation of the matter doesn't impress. No one is telling anyone not to speak; quite the contrary. A civilized conversation about this debate would be a healthy thing. (It would have been even better if it had taken place before the implementation of the gym segregation.)

The Crimson should solicit an op-ed from someone—it could well be Aljawhary—who can make a more reasoned case for the segregated gym hours.
 
Comments:
I'd happily support not hearing the adhan in Harvard Yard, and while we're at it, couldn't we also stop the bells in Memorial Church, please?
 
Ok, R-Brad, now this can of worms has been opened... maybe we can start a list of things (that no-one's objected to) we've seen from the Widener steps. I'll begin with (a) erecting a menorah at Hanukkah and lighting a "candle" each of the eight days (an event I believe Larry Summers and Adam Dersh have participated in), and (b) reading the names of Holocaust victims on the Holocaust Remembrance Day.

My own wish for Widener steps is that it be a kind of Speaker's Corner for Harvard, where students can declaim on whatever they wish. You won't hear them inside the building while you're working.
 
EADW, serious question: Is there a distinction between those activities and an activity that contains what the Crimson editorialists label as "divisive" language?

To be honest, I'm kind of sympathetic with your point: I don't particularly like *any* public display of *any* religion. (Though I'm not sure reading the names of Holocaust victims fits that description.)

I'd also probably support not ringing the bells of Mem Church. Twenty years ago, I wrote an essay in the Yale Banner arguing against the ringing of bells in Yale's Harkeness Tower (mostly on the grounds that it worsened my hangover, but still). But I've really never believed that people who like to ring bells have the right to violate the quiet of a Sunday morning.

That said, does the ringing of church bells constitute a religious expression that denigrates other people's beliefs?
 
By the way, I love the Speaker's Corner idea.
 
And whoops, make that "Harkness" Tower.
 
This is a can of worms that is always open, always writhing happily, in a pluralistic community.

I think the op-ed makes a point worth making, but EADW is right: it applies with basically equal force to all expressions of belief except perhaps Unitarian ones, and probably including those too. --Paging Professor Fish! Professor Stanley Fish, you have a call at the front desk.

The authors basically undo their own arguments by putting forward 'reductio ad absurdum' lemmas that are not absurd at all.

"Imagine, if you would, a Southern Baptist evangelist standing atop the steps of Widener Library, exhorting passersby to pray, denying the validity to [sic] other faiths, and declaring the divinity of Jesus."

Okay.

"Would such an activity be congruent with Harvard’s tradition of liberalism and tolerance?"

Yes.

These are deep waters, and you know who I'd like to entrust them to? Diana Eck, who has specialized in pluralism, and Peter Gomes, who has for three and a half decades run a seriously Christian church in a seriously ecumenical environment.

I love me those worms. There is nothing new under the sun on the steps of Widener, and if people would only quit pretending 9/11 changed everything we could all be focused on learning things, as everyone connected with universities should do. In this case, we can learn how to have conversations respectfully -- which means not only speaking respectfully, as the op-ed authors do, but listening respectfully as well. To truly listen to these prayers is to understand them as bearing no especial hostility.

Has no one noticed that the First Commandment in the Hebrew Bible (aka Old Testament) is equally hostile to other faiths? "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." (Jews actually call this the Second Commandment, which is an interesting shift in emphasis but doesn't change the main point.) If that belief is expressed only privately or not at all by the genteel devout Jews and Christians of Harvard's community, perhaps it is because they are too polite for their own damn good.

Is that hostile of me? Probably. But serious conversation always means a little hostility; the alternative is milquetoast, frictionless gruel that teaches no one anything.

Hostile toward those who are not adequately in my face,

Standing Eagle
 
"“We should be able to accommodate the minorities within reasonable limits. Otherwise, you’re saying they should just shut their mouths.”

"It's unfair to read too much into a single newspaper quote, but Ms. Aljawhary's interpretation of the matter doesn't impress. No one is telling anyone not to speak; quite the contrary. A civilized conversation about this debate would be a healthy thing."


Richard, you're not reading carefully enough. She means 'shut their mouths' figuratively. If someone asks for "accommodation" and you say no, you are figuratively saying, Sit down and be quiet. She doesn't mean that anyone would literally be silenced by such a move, only that squeaky wheels would stop getting grease.

She doesn't seem like a squeaky wheel to me and I don't think she's claiming that anyone has been silenced. So don't be so literal-minded!

In a way, your literal-mindedness with this quotation is much like that of the people who object to the adhan. Isn't there a similar bloody-mindedness, after all, between objecting to the adhan's testimonies of faith and objecting to the singing of "Silent Night" on the grounds that Mary wasn't really a virgin, as the song claims?

Any truth claim that doesn't contradict another truth claim is going to be a) uneducational and b) boring. And many performatives have truth content that cannot be untangled from the beauty of the performance. So writhe one!

Standing Eagle



'performative' is worth looking up, btw
 
"God love the dissenter who puts pen to paper and, in a grand American tradition, says, Get your religion out of my face."

Does that mean God DOESN'T love dissenters who want there to be more religion in the public square?

Bloody-minded,
and highly recommending the outstanding book "Divided by God" (FSG, 2005; author is Feldblatt or Mannheim or something) on this topic --

SE
 
Erratum:

For "Writhe one" read "Writhe on!"


Writhe up, shepherd, and follow -- !

Shepherding Eagle
(A bit of a writher himself, and blissfully free of writher's cramp)
 
Possible I'm being too literal, SE. Possible you're being too optimistic.

But yes, totally agree that this is an old and murky debate.

I tend to think that broadcasting the adhan falls within the limits of pluralistic discourse; we'd allow the KKK to march and spew hate speech, and this is hardly that.

On the other hand, I think banning men from a gym is more problematic. Speech we don't like is something we all have to live with. Segregation is not.
 
"we'd allow the KKK to march and spew hate speech, and this is hardly that."

That's very gracious of you to concede. And to think only a couple days ago we were accusing you of casting aspersions on Islam!
So menschlich mit dem Teufel zu sprechen! --what a role model.

--Snarking Eagle



"On the other hand, I think banning men from a gym is more problematic."

I agree with you and Harry that it is more problematic. But to be an administrator is to deal with problems, and I think this one has been solved in a reasonable way. As far as I'm concerned anything with Susan Marine's blessing is fine by me (what say ye to THAT, Harry?).

I bet Susan would be okay with it if a chorus of Apollo-worshippers came forward to say they needed a couple hours of nude workout time (gymnos of course being Greek for 'NAKED').

That rare guy who sees his way clear to agree with Susan Marine and Harry Lewis simultaneously -- unless one of them actually says the other is wrong, since THAT statement is likely to be wrong --

-- Strophing Eagle
 
Come now, SE, you know exactly I mean. I'm using the most extreme example I could think of off the top of my head to make a point.
 
Richard, I kind of think it's funny that you quote Ola Aljawhary talking about how hard it is to be forced into a spokesperson role and to become a visible token of Muslim women, and then you end your post by asking her, in essence, to play that role one more time in order to meet your needs.
 
"Where Eagles Don't: King of Intellectual Defenestration, Standing Eagle, Bows to Religion"

JK - very well said, SE. Shine on you crazy diamond.

- Egret
 
See also further Harvard debate on the issue:

Anti-restrictions: here and here, and pro-restrictions: here and here.
 
SE --It's a tough call, but I wouldn't do it, because I see too many ways that the argument for a little bit of segregation can be misused. Harvard rightly prides itself on being a diverse and inclusive community, but it has never claimed that it can be all things to all people. I think people who come pretty much know what they are signing up for, so no one should be surprised that we don't wall off spaces on the basis of sex, creed, etc. The fact that Curves does it is irrelevant. I'd be inclined to just leave it at that: We just don't keep people out of anything on the basis of their sex, etc.

However: if you really want single-sex gym hours, I'll swap you that for recognition of ROTC, which is likewise just a little bit segregated. I continue to think that the "What's the harm? Solve the problem in a reasonable way" argument applies equally to both, or to neither. If conservative Muslim women are a special case, then the armed forces of the nation, operating under Congressionally mandated policies, are surely also a special case. People of good will disagree on what's reasonable, so a reasonableness standard is unhelpful where there are matters of principle at stake.
 
"I'll swap you that for recognition of ROTC, which is likewise just a little bit segregated."

You've got a deal!


"I continue to think that the "What's the harm? Solve the problem in a reasonable way" argument applies equally to both, or to neither. If conservative Muslim women are a special case, then the armed forces of the nation, operating under Congressionally mandated policies, are surely also a special case."

Agreed 100%.


A pleasure as always --

SE
 
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