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Wednesday, May 09, 2024
  Kim Clijsters and Harvard Women
Yesterday we talked about whether women who have kids are forced off the tenure track, or choose to step off it, or some combination of both.

In today's Times, Selena Roberts writes about the decision of tennis player Kim Clijsters to retire at age 23.

Clijsters explained her reasons on her website.

(Tennis players blog! Curt Schilling blogs! Harvard profs...don't!)

Quitting tennis at an age of nearly 24 is pretty young still. I could have easily gone on and still reel in the four major big earners (three Grand Slams and the Masters). Money is important, but not the most important in my life. Health and happiness are so much more key to life.

...it is time for a new life. Time for marrying. Children? Time for cooking and playing with the dogs.

Systemic discrimination?

Roberts certainly doesn't think so. She suggests that the only thing wrong with this situation is that not every woman can afford to do it.

...what women’s tennis may reveal is the same socially sanctioned element that ribbons through every Starbucks, where mommies with M.B.A.’s prefer to run play dates instead of boardroom meetings. In this circle, it’s O.K. to jump off the fast track for the mommy track or laugh track. Whatever makes a woman of means happy.

Let's just repeat that line, shall we?

...mommies with M.B.A.’s prefer to run play dates instead of boardroom meetings....

In Manhattan, I see women like this all the time—women who can afford to jump out of the rat race because of their husbands' earning power, and happily, happily do. Some of them have even gone to Harvard. I suspect there are many women whose husbands aren't rich who choose to do the same, either to be with their kids more or just because they're tired of working.

It's a choice that men really don't have.....
 
Comments:
Moan, moan, moan. Poor men. Some of us women in academia have taught full-time straight through without taking time off, from the birth of our children to their adulthood. And strange to say, the children turn out well.
 
So you had a good nanny?
 
Anon 10:13, let's hope your significant other, assuming there was one, was a helpful partner. Because really, no moaning intended, and all props for what you did. I'm just trying to point out some holes in the ideological arguments surrounding this debate.
 
Yes, men CAN...

(it's not usual -- but they can...)

I have friends who have chosen to stay home and parent without an independent income while their wives brought home the bacon for their whole family... what's so different between them and the Manhattan MBA women you were referring to?
 
But rare, don't you think? And the men who do often suffer a social stigma as a result—Why aren't you working? That kind of thing.
 
I am a husband who made more money until about the time we had a child (late). Then my income stagnated and my wife's forged ahead. We made good use of high-quality day care and private schools, much to our child's benefit. My wife did the breast feeding and quality time, and summers, but I did all the academic year dropoffs and pickups, two days of activities every weekend, school parent participation, etc. It balanced out over the long run.

One thing is clear. Academic flexibility and two generous pay checks helps make this sort of personal opportunity system work. The average American and the poor don't have this luxury, and we should look for ways to help them reach their goals too.

Education/credentials should be a key contribution that we should help make available at an affordable price.

Yes, I see the contradiction between generous paychecks and affordable tuition.
 
Observer--sounds like you worked this out well. Congrats. How did you find the experience of being a house husband?
 
Look the issue cannot be talked of in such broad strokes.

It comes down to earning power and values and how old you are when you have kids.

Mommy track or taking time off is a killer for a career-ask the HBS crew and they will confirm it. Traditional business frowns on it so the alternative is to find positions that foster or value it-not easy.

Now, I know plenty of men that assume the traditional "mother" role because of salary and schedule.

Again, it depends upon the situation and mostly the earning power. We all know the statistics there.
 
I'm trying to make sense of this -- the experiences of a 23-year-old tennis star who can afford to retire are supposed to be relevant to Harvard assistant professors? How so, exactly? And I bet that very few faculty are married to the rich Wall St. guys who want their wives to spend all their time at the gym, so Richard's examples seem completely nonsensical to anyone at Harvard. Since when do anecdotes like this substitute for systematic data -- which, incidentally, Richard seems desperate to dismiss? What planet is everyone living on!? Surely not the one that houses Cambridge, Mass.
 
cambridge is its own planet-the people's republic - a theme park.

never confuse cambridge with the real world!
 
Actually, the real reason Clijsters retired is because he body was a wreck. She had to stretch for an hour upon awakening just to get through the day. She didn't want her body to get beaten up anymore. The backlash against her has been really vicious.
 
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