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Thursday, April 26, 2024
  Joe Lieberman Makes the Case for War
In the Washington Post, Joe Lieberman argues against withdrawal from Iraq:

The suicide bombings we see now in Iraq are an attempt to reverse these [American] gains: a deliberate, calculated counteroffensive led foremost by al-Qaeda, the same network of Islamist extremists that perpetrated catastrophic attacks in Kenya, Indonesia, Turkey and, yes, New York and Washington.

Indeed, to the extent that last week's bloodshed clarified anything, it is that the battle of Baghdad is increasingly a battle against al-Qaeda. Whether we like it or not, al-Qaeda views the Iraqi capital as a central front of its war against us.

Does Lieberman, who has been for the war since before it started, remember that Al Qaeda wasn't actually in Iraq until after we invaded that nation?

The current wave of suicide bombings in Iraq is also aimed at us here in the United States -- to obscure the recent gains we have made and to convince the American public that our efforts in Iraq are futile and that we should retreat.

This logic leads one to a terrifying conclusion: The more "gains" we make in Iraq, the more bombings result. Therefore, every bombing is actually a sign of progress.

In other words, if there are no bombings, we're winning. And if there are lots of bombings, we're also winning.

Where is Joseph Heller when you need him?

And here's another dangerous piece of rhetoric:

Al-Qaeda, after all, isn't carrying out mass murder against civilians in the streets of Baghdad because it wants a more equitable distribution of oil revenue. Its aim in Iraq isn't to get a seat at the political table; it wants to blow up the table -- along with everyone seated at it.

So Al Qaeda is a nihilist organization that simply wants to blow up everything and everyone?

I'm no Al Qaeda expert, but this is not a serious argument. What would Al Qaeda do if the U.S. pulled out of the country? Lieberman would have us believe that the answer is bombing until Iraq is just one big pile of carnage. But even from my layman's perspective, Al Qaeda seems a terrorist organization with distinct political goals—getting the US out of lands it considers Muslim and holy.

I have no idea what Al Qaeda would do in Iraq if we pulled out. But it doesn't sound like Lieberman does either. And his construction—Al Qaeda wants "to blow up the table—along with everyone seated at it" is nothing but fear-mongering. If we're really going to fight Al Qaeda, we need a more sophisticated understanding of the organization than that.

But then, that's Joe Lieberman for you....
 
Comments:
If you don't think Al Qaeda would then focus their guns and bombs on moderate Arab leaders and countries (I know, that's assuming there are some) and also either the Sunni/Shite population (forget which one Al Qaeda is, all that matters is that they are one, not both), I think you are underestimating the danger. Sure, their number one goal is to get us out, but you do them a serious favor if you pretend that's their only goal. I'm sure they'd be happy for us to believe that. Don't kid yourself, they want fundamentalist Muslim theocracies worldwide. Obviously we're the first hurdle to that. Unfortunately, we're probably also the last hurdle.
 
That, at least, is an argument, which is more than Lieberman said.
 
Insane to claim that the US is the only thing standing between the current situation and regional theocratic hegemony.

Also dimwitted not to notice that the US's efforts so far have only strengthened the hand of Iran, the only semi-hemi-demi-serious threat to eventually exert influence that might lead to conditions in which some kind of larger theocracy could begin to be thought about by semi-serious people.

Standing Eagle
 
Insane to only criticize the US and not even mention Al Qaeda in a discussion about...Al Qaeda. Not to mention sad for you, obviously an egret without a country.
 
9:15 AM - Who spreads this kind of fear amongst Americans...the fear that they want Muslim fundamentalist theocracies "throughout the world". From the very beginning,years ago, all they have ever wanted you is out of the middle east. I don't know why, from top to bottom, you Americans can never figure that out...the whole rest of the world can...that's why no-one but the Brits stood with you and they only half-heartedly. So, no doubt about it, now you've got yourselves a mess. But do you really believe, that if push comes to shove, the "rest of the world" is going to submit to being muslim fundamentalist theocracies? That's ludicrous. Even considering the mess you've made of things. And have you no faith that if you got out of Iraq, the rest of the world would stand with you? The middle east may not want democracy but the rest of us do. I'd pick up a gun myself. The Bush administration has told you so much baloney, they've got all of you believing it.

An "egret without a country". A realist. And what were you trying to do...make the whole world a democracy, right. Well, they're going to push back, it works both ways.
 
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