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Monday, April 30, 2024
  Yale on the Move
In the Times, Peter Applebome writes about Yale president Rick Levin's push to add two residential colleges to the undergraduate population. Levin frames the idea as partly intended to relieve the pressure of the application process.

...after Yale expanded to its current size in the 1960s, there were roughly 4,000 to 5,000 applicants a year for 1,300 positions in the freshman class. The size of the freshman class has remained about the same, but now there are some 20,000 applicants, including a growing number of international ones, plus all the other desired niches of minority students, athletes, children of alums and the rest.

“Expansion could help relieve those pressures and create more opportunities for students who are just ordinary, extremely brilliant and talented students who don’t have any of those other connections,” Dr. Levin said. “We have astonishing educational resources here. If we can educate more students and give them exposure to the opportunities here, I think we can make an even more substantial contribution to the nation and the world.”

Applebome points out that Princeton too is enlarging the size of its undergraduate population, and the Yale Daily News has a nice piece about enlarging campuses at Yale*, Columbia, Princeton and Harvard. Surely increasing the size of the undergraduate population is being considered at Harvard, but is there any public debate about the idea? Not that I know of.

Dr. Levin says there’s something perverse about the current system, where “prestige and reputation tend to depend on how many students you reject.

This is true, of course, and good of Levin to say so. But a couple caveats: Yale had some opportunity to calm the application waters a bit by terminating its early admissions program, but has so far declined.

Moreover, isn't there a sense in which saying that more admissions will ease admission pressures is like Robert Moses saying that we need more highways to ease traffic? If you build it, they will come.

Nonetheless, what with this article and the implosion of MIT admissions chief Marilee Jones, I sense we're on the verge of a backlash against admissions insanity. This might be one backlash that Harvard wants to get in front of.....
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P.S. Incidentally, I recently met a current student at the Yale School of Organization and Management. We agreed that New Haven was becoming a very pleasant place in which to live....
 
Comments:
"I should note that our plans have always been predicated on the expectation that the number of undergraduates admitted to the College would not increase before about 2015, in any case." -- Harvard dean Jeremy Knowles, letter on Growth and Renewal of the Faculty, April, 2007. The student-faculty ratio at Harvard is still higher than it is at some of the other Ivies.
 
Thanks for pointing that out...
 
And the much higher student-faculty ratio at Harvard is significantly worse in some of the professional schools. Check the latest report of US News on Graduate Schools.
 
Please...can we avoid another digression about US News and Harvard's graduate schools?
 
But some graduate and professional schools have found a way to obscure the problem appointing graduate students to the position of lecturers and instructors...

So the students who say that you come to Harvard to pay a lot of money to be taught by other students and get little time from Professors who are too busy with their research may have a point.
 
You asked if "Surely increasing the size of the undergraduate population is being considered at Harvard, but is there any public debate about the idea?"

I know I heard Summers publicly discuss the adding of houses to expand undergraduate size, and draw more international students, two times, during student "pizza dinners" at Adams and Currier houses. At least among the class of '05, assumptions were rampant that new houses in Allston would not replace the Quad, but add to undergrad population. Whether Faust also intends this . . . ?
 
"Nonetheless, what with this article and the implosion of MIT admissions chief Marilee Jones, I sense we're on the verge of a backlash against admissions insanity. This might be one backlash that Harvard wants to get in front of....."

I've got two issues with this sentence: One, this all sounds to me like the usual admissions "backlash" and not out of the ordinary. And two, wasn't Harvard's move to eliminate early admissions getting in front of whatever backlash there may be?
 
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Richard,

The way to report this story is to start with the office and initiatives of John Gates, the College's Associate Dean for Administration and Finance. He is said to believe the student body should be as large as possible -- and he's willing to pack 'em in like sardines to the dorms if necessary.

As a great person once said, I have no way to back that claim up while remaining anonymous. (Or, perhaps, I have no way to back that claim up.)

But this is where the story should begin at Harvard -- with the lack of pedagogically-oriented leadership on the question of what the College should be and whom it should serve. Into that void step people like the FINANCE Dean to push certain decisions about things like the size of the student body.

Standing Eagle
 
Quite a brilliant comment about Robert Moses, by the way.

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