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Saturday, February 24, 2024
  At Radcliffe, "Jubilation"
Radcliffe Institute fellow Christine Stansell has an interesting post over at Open University. (And you thought that was an oxymoron.)

Jubilation reigned at the Radcliffe Institute of Advanced Study in Cambridge last week, where I'm a fellow this year. The new president of Harvard is an admired and appealing figure, beloved by her staff and garnering immense affection even from the visiting scholars who've only known her for six months. About three-quarters of the fellows are women, and fully aware of the ardor of what Drew Faust just accomplished. To jump through one hoop after another, ever higher, for six months!

Stansell goes on to argue that, in academia, having children significantly decreases women's chances for tenure but actually increases men's.

Statistically, each child of a man makes him more likely to get tenure. The brilliant young mother appears stressed out and underproductive. The brilliant young father, no longer the obnoxious young nerd he might have seemed when he was hired, now seems all the more human and charming for his (discrete) family responsibilities.

Huh.

My problem with that paragraph is that it posits statistical evidence, then introduces an anecdotal and highly subjective ("obnoxious young nerd") and absolutely unquantifiable generalization. If Larry Summers had made this kind of remark, what would the reaction be? Or are such arguments only offensive when they come from white men in positions of power?
 
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You ask, "are such arguments only offensive when they come from white men in positions of power?"

The answer is: yes, they are only offensive when made by powerful white men. However, they can still be bad arguments when made by others.
 
I'm pretty sure she means 'ardure,' not 'ardor.' But nobody says 'ardure'; they say 'arduousness.' Or, they say 'difficulty.'

Standing Aardvark
 
Poster #1, I can't agree with that. I've heard African-Americans say that they can't be racist because they are "powerless," and even if the second part of that is true, the first part is still offensive.
 
wait...what? I don't understand your point. You're offended by black people saying that they can't be racist in the same way white people are? And that relates to your post or my comment how?

The black people you're talking to are making a perfectly valid point: when we talk about racism in the US context, what we're really talking about 90% of the time is white supremacy. Whites have all the power, so when blacks say prejudiced things -- which, obviously, they do just as frequently as any other group -- what they say can still be offensive, but it's qualitatively different than when white people say similar things, since it's white people who perpetuate white supremacy with such comments and white people who have supported and benefited from white supremacy.

Obviously, there's a real issue right now between the black community and, for example, the Latino immigrant community, but when white supremacy pits two minorities against each other, I'm not sure that "racism" most accurately characterizes their attitude towards each other.

Now, you can of course disagree with this analysis, but I'm a little hard-pressed to see how your comfortable white self can be "offended" by it.

- Poster #1
 
As Tim Hardaway would suggest, there are also some real issues between the black community and the gay community, even/especially when they overlap. Not quite sure how The Man created that problem.

As for the sentence below...I mean, where to start?

——Whites have *all* the power, so when blacks say prejudiced things -- which, obviously, they do just as frequently as any other group -- what they say can still be offensive, but it's qualitatively different than when white people say similar things, since it's white people who perpetuate white supremacy with such comments and white people who have supported and benefited from white supremacy.——
 
What's the Tim Hardaway point? We were talking about racism, not homophobia. I'm pretty sure those are different issues.
 
You were talking about "white supremacy [pitting] two minorities against each other." I was curious to see how you think this phenomenon led to homophobia among black Americans.

And actually, while I certainly acknowledge the existence of white racism against African-Americans and Latinos, I'm not sure how that has pitted them against each other either, and I'd be curious to hear your explanation of this dynamic.
 
You're right, using an anecdote to substantiate a statistical argument is a bad idea. But Stansell is absolutely right about the facts regarding how kids affect the tenure rates of men and women. For an easy-to-digest summary of some of the evidence, see: http://faculty.harvard.edu/05/documents/HarvardClosingtheBabyGap2_16_07.ppt
 
Sorry—still not buying it. Perhaps I'm misreading that survey, but it seems to suggest that many women *choose* to get off the career fast track to have babies. (Don't yell at me, it's what they say in big bold print.) It does not suggest, unless I've missed something, that women with babies are actively discriminated against.

And frankly, I find the survey sloppy, unimpressive, and unconvincing, despite the fact that it seems like it started out hell-bent on proving the conclusions that it just happens to come up with.
 
Poster #1 again, here. As to your most recept response, I don't think white supremacy caused black homophobia. I can't imagine where I ever might have suggested it did; I guess I could have said "ethnic minorities," rather than just "minorities," but I thought my implication was clear. Sexism and homophobia definitely cut across race and class lines.

As to your second point, however, I believe white supremacy does pit blacks and browns against each other. White folks get most of the decent jobs, and leave most people of color fighting over the scraps (I say "white supremacy," and not "white racism" as you did, because i think the relevant object of analysis is not only white mental attitudes towards people of color, but the entire social structure). Obviously, there are (many) poor whites and (some) rich blacks, but the overall trend is clear.
 
Richard,

Is it white supremacy or the racism of white men? Are white women equally racist? Is the racism experienced in the same manner by men and by women?

I believe there's research that suggests that it's mostly white men who discriminate, and it's mostly against men of minority groups.
 
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