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Sunday, February 04, 2007
  Dylan versus Veloso: The Debate Continues
After I suggested that Caetano Veloso was perhaps a more accomplished and radical figure than Bob Dylan, a number of you rose to Dylan's defense. Dylan, you commented, was the "soundtrack of the '60s in the U.S." Was Veloso in Brazil?

In fact, pretty much, yes.

Here's a concise description of the nature and import of the tropicalia movement.

In late '60s Brazil...

....the progressive impulse is subverted in a right-wing military coup (supported and encouraged by the United States) which profoundly affects the Brazilian arts and the public. Television and Opera maintain a certain degree of freedom from censorship at first, but revolutionary socialism seems unable to articulate an effective resistance
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Enter Caetano Veloso and Gilberto Gil. In this matrix of political and nationalistic uncertainty, and through the use of pastiche, disassociative imagery, irony, parody, and a concern with the everyday frustrations of Brazilians, they construct an insurgent music that gains a wide reach and audience, while mostly flying underneath the dictatorship's radar screen. Refusing the government's attempts to force a highly nationalistic concept of unity on the populace, Tropicalia deploys the benign imagery of tropical paradise, only to subvert them with references (sometimes overt, sometimes oblique by necessity) to social and political trauma. The more orthodox leftists, of course, criticize Tropicalia for not directly inciting the masses to act, and instead promoting escapism. Yet Tropicalia's moment in the sun is not only threaded in the past of Brazilian historical discourse on modernity, but serves to feed a growing countercultural movement in Brazilian culture throughout the late 1960s and 1970's. By foregrounding areas of Brazilian socio-economic underdevelopment, Afro-Brazilian religion (Macumba, Candomble), and the historical legacy of Portugese colonialism, Tropicalia stakes out a lasting ground, and a usable past for Brazilian counterculture.

But of course, since we Americans had our own problems, we weren't paying much attention to what was going on in a country that's actually larger than our own. (Well, if you exclude Alaska.)

As one alumnus of the era puts it, We changed the world while dancing to [Dylan's] tune. Veloso may be a brave man, and the struggle in Brazil at that time may have plenty of meaning for Brazilians, but it doesn't compare to what we did.

[A digression: You can dance to Dylan?)

The poster is right: Caetano's work doesn't compare. It was actually more courageous, if not quite so celebrated by the self-involved American left.

Meanwhile, Harvard classicist Richard Thomas eloquently stands up for Dylan, quoting some perhaps unfortunate Veloso lyrics ("I hate, I hate, I hate") and citing this Veloso quote:

Dylan “is an artist who hides his personality behind the art he is creating. He would never ever touch his work with explanation or analysis. And I am the opposite. I am almost not an artist.

Since this presentation of himself is obviously untrue, Veloso is here playing with words and ideas. (Which is to say, he's messing with us.) His remarks can not be taken at face value—although, since we Americans are so inclined to believe in our cultural superiority, as manifested by Dylan, and therefore the generalized inferiority of South America, we are inclined to interpret this remark as, merely, appropriate modesty. In fact, one of the knocks on Veloso is that he is arrogant—he is—and so I would suggest that this comment actually means the opposite of what it says. Veloso defines an artist in a way that suggests that he is more analytical, more intellectual, less calculating and perhaps more candid than Dylan is. But since he is engaging in false modesty, perhaps he isn't so candid after all; perhaps he is profoundly calculating. Which, by his definition, would make him more of an artist than Dylan.

Got that?

But rather than risk over-interpreting one quote—although I don't really think it's over-interpretation, because Veloso is a thoughtful man whose words can sustain deconstruction—let me just posit a few thoughts.

First, a premise: I'm an admirer of Dylan and don't mean to take away from his lyrical virtuosity (although, Mr. Thomas, I'm sure that one could easily enough find a Dylan lyric, take it out of context, and make it look silly).

But, come now—Dylan had it much easier than Veloso. First, he was drawing on a long tradition of protest music—for a time, frankly, merely imitating it. (The Dylan exhibit at New York's Morgan Museum makes just this point.)

Second, Veloso was making his music of protest under a military dictatorship. He was jailed and then exiled for his troubles. Dylan never operated under conditions remotely so perilous. He became rich and famous and adored. He was counter-culture not just because it was right, but because it was cool. Could this be one reason why, as Veloso says, Dylan doesn't explore his own motivations?

And finally, Dylan benefits of course from the narcissism of the American Baby Boomers. He was, as someone put it, their "soundtrack." (Although black Americans might disagree with that.)

Now, in his recent period of critical rediscovery and adulation, he benefits from that aging generation's desire to finalize its history—a Dylan exhibit at the Morgan Museum! Could there be a more appropriate metaphor for the '60s generation, a once embraced and entombed within a gilded mausoleum of all-conquering American capitalism? The current vogue of Dylan reflects little more than a generation's ongoing desire to memorialize itself by establishing critical monuments for its celebrity heroes. Not only that, but because Dylan is American, he is automatically coronated as "#1!" by the Baby Boomer cultural hype machine. It's the jingoism of the American haute bourgoisie. Dylan is to the intellectual set what Barry Manilow (whom the New Yorker also recently rediscovered) is to middle America.

Professor Thomas, for example (who, to be fair, is English, I think) describes Dylan's latest, "Modern Times," as "brilliant." All due respect to Professor Thomas, but...not a chance.

Don't get me wrong: Modern Times is a very good record. But it's not innovative and it's not all that interesting. It is well-executed and comfortable; it is your favorite sweater, your most beloved Barcalounger, brunch music for the coffee shop generation(s). It's no surprise that Dylan signed an exclusive deal to sell it at Starbucks. As a soundtrack, it makes great background music.

Truth is, one of the reasons we all like Modern Times so much is simply that it doesn't suck—and after such a long career, that's not nothing. It inspires all of us who won't again see our 20s. But brilliant? I'm sorry, no.

And we haven't even talked about Dylan whoring himself out to Victoria's Secret.....There's only one reason to compromise yourself so, and that's sex, and somehow, I doubt that that is the currency in which Dylan was paid.
 
Comments:
Prof. Thomas is in fact a New Zealander.
 
First, Richard, as I said, it is pointless to compare the two, which was the point of much of your initial posting. Since I know nothing about Veloso, I say nothing against him, and he’s obviously an interesting and for all I know a great artist, even allowing for your philobrazilianism. So in exchange for “I hate you I hate you I hate you” I give you Dylan’s “Wiggle, Wiggle” from Under the Red Sky (1990) -- though even criticism of that needs to be tempered by the insights of Michael Gray’s Ch. 17 of Song and Dance Man III (“Nursery Rhyme, Fairy Tale and ‘Under the Red Sky’”).

To me the issue has more to do with your criteria for judging Dylan as an artist, that is, for judging his art -- rather than judging the times or political system in which he lived, how much he talks about or analyzes himself, whether or not he went to jail, none of which is the job of an artist. It is, however, worth remembering Dylan was singing “Blowin’ in the Wind” in the south when other white (and black) supporters of civil rights were being murdered for there activities. When Veloso says “Dylan would never ever touch his work with explanation or analysis” he recognizes this is a possible definition of the artist, to create art. I’m sure you are right that Veloso’s denying his own artistry is falsely candid. But I just don’t see what being candid, analytical or intellectual need have to do with producing great art.

A couple of points:

1) You say “But, come now—Dylan had it much easier than Veloso. First, he was drawing on a long tradition of protest music”. Why does that make it easier rather than the opposite (and I doubt Veloso is not drawing on traditions)? The fact that there are traditions behind “Blowin’ in the Wind” and “Masters of War” makes it all the more impressive that there will never be, and have never been, greater civil rights or anti-war songs than those two. Who listens to Phil Ochs any more? When Virgil was accused of plagiarizing from Homer, he is said to have responded “Why don’t my critics also attempt the same thefts? If they do they will realize it is easier to steal his club from Hercules than a line from Homer”. We all know what Eliot said about great poets stealing, right?

2) Then you say Veloso “was jailed and then exiled for his troubles. Dylan never operated under conditions remotely so perilous”. I fail to see the relevance of this to their art. The Aeneid was written after the Battle of Actium, when Rome was at peace, more or less, and Virgil was secure and well-off; Dante had it much harder (including exile) than Shakespeare, but that doesn’t make him a greater artist -- and again, we would never dream of setting up a contest there (they’re both great), so my in initial point still applies.

3) As for the Victoria’s Secret ad (also brilliant), the reaction is the same as that to the lines in “Thunder on the Mountain” When the 65 year-old Dylan writes and sings the lines “I'm wondering where in the world Alicia Keys could be | I been looking for her even clear through Tennessee” we can say “ewwwww that’s gross”, but maybe something else is going on. The reason Dylan doesn’t tell us what he’s thinking has to do with the characters he creates, and has always created. . He clearly realized from very early on that the only way to survive creatively in American pop culture was to be masked and anonymous.

The Morgan Library Exhibit, which I saw in Seattle, Bob Dylan’s American Journey, 1956–1966, covers Dylan from age 7-25. The story has kept on going. I agree Modern Times MAY not be as great as 2001’s “Love and Theft” but it is still brilliant, and I’m from NZ not England, so I mean brilliant.
 
That's what I get for picking a fight with a classicist—a learned and thoughtful response. Thanks for that, Professor.

Incidentally, I found the Dylan exhibit deeply disappointing, and I was wondering what you thought of it. I am neither as big a Dylan fan as you, and certainly not as informed a one...but to me the exhibit felt superficial and not very well done. And the cutoff at age 25 was just bizarre.
 
I actually enjoyed it, Richard (happened to be in Seattle), though there the lighting was pretty bad. My favorite bit was the copy of his Hibbing High yearbook, open to the page showing his two-year membership in the Latin Club. Jimi Hendrix exhibit was right next-door and that was pretty good too.
 
This post, Richard, offers a big fat red herring that smells of self-congratulation. You've manufactured a controversy where none exists so that you can pontificate about how much more more courageous and true (did I hear "authentic"?) this Third World warrior is than Bob Dylan. A false, not to mention silly, dichotomy if I ever heard one. Running down Dylan in order to praise Veloso rings in my ear as the intellectual equivalent of George Bush Sr.'s "little brown ones" comment. Where's a Q tip when you need one.
 
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